Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Touch (Lebanon)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Tone 16:14, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Touch (Lebanon)

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The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (companies) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant English-language coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lebanon-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 05:13, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Granted, the article needs to be thoroughly rewritten, and also updated given the ongoing changes in the Lebanese telecoms market (the gov't has taken over both mobile operators, with a view to re-tendering their licences imminently). But as one of the two mobile telecoms operators in Lebanon, the company in question is surely notable, and the article can be made to meet notability guidelines with RS references, of which I've already found a few. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:25, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- The argument that the notability of a company can be satisfied by it being one of a few companies of x-type in a given market is not supported by NCOMPANY/GNG. If there is no coverage or such, there is nothing to make a mobile operator in a small country more notable that a large mobile store in a big city or such. If there are sources that allow us to show this company is notable, please show them. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:41, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thank you, I understand the distinction between the 'real-life notability' of the subject and the notability requirements of the article, per my earlier comment. I will find and add references when I get around to editing the article, hopefully soon. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have edited/updated the article and added references; hopefully it now better meets the requirements. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:44, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the expansion, but the sources seem relatively poor - mentions in passing and press releases like [1]. I am afraid I still don't see why this company merits an article in Wikipedia, per policies cited (NCOMPANY/GNG). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:01, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it; I've voted Keep, let's see what the consensus is. The references I added are mostly to RS publications (you've obviously chosen to cite the one press release as proof to the contrary), and verify the salient points. By all means put a refimprove tag on it, if you're unhappy with the article, but deleting it seems to me far too heavy-handed. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:14, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The coverage does not need to be English-language coverage. This nomination is misconceived. Rathfelder (talk) 08:40, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 15:47, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the leading telecom company in Lebanon is notable. Lightburst (talk) 15:47, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
None of the "Keep" votes suggest any coverage that would lead to passing NCORP or GNG. Perhaps there are sources in Arabic but unless they can be found and notability verified, the article should be deleted. (t · c) buidhe 03:11, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:35, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - if no additional sources are found. - GizzyCatBella🍁 02:13, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 02:56, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

keep: Not impressed by the interference with this AfD, see history, which is indirectly what brought me here. That said the communications provider to a country is a kind of critical thing and the article does contribute towards how the country is handling that in a region that is somewhat disrupted to put it mildly. Djm-leighpark (talk) 11:05, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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