Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valerian Shiukashvili

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus based on WP:PAG clearly is against retention. Although there was some discussion of draftifying both of the comments against retention indicated a preference for outright deletion. Ad Orientem (talk) 03:24, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Valerian Shiukashvili

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Non-notable. All sources are either from subject's own website or are from sources of doubtful reliability (or dead). None of the awards, and none of his educational details, listed in the article are sourced, and even if they were they wouldn't lead the subject to be classified as WP:NOTABLE under living people criteria. The subject's career is supported, in part only, by unconvincing (and/or dead) references, but the career events also do not conform with any criteria for WP notability. Under a misspelt title, the article was already deleted 7 years ago - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valerian shiukashvili. Since then it doesn't seem to have been significantly rewritten or updated. Time to delete permanently and see that it doesn't get back. Smerus (talk) 20:18, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:57, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Georgia (country)-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:57, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 01:24, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: a quick search found a concert, juror at competition, concert in Berlin, concert in Krakow, chairman of another jury, and another jury. There's more in Georgian which I can't read. Seems notable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:23, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – based on available material in reliable sources (...mentioned in passing a few times) this biography does not seem to pass WP:MUSICBIO (listed a few times as a juror and as a performer in concerts does not suffice for these criteria), nor WP:PROFESSOR, nor WP:GNG. Reads like a self-published curriculum (based, per the given references, mostly on outdated and/or unavailable self-published sources), and thus doesn't pass WP:NOTFORUM either. Deleting with a possibility to WP:REFUND (if more solid material to base a biography upon would surface) seems best. Otherwise (however not my first choice): move to draft space or userfy until someone cares enough to check whether other, more solid, sources can be tracked down. --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:46, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – this is in fact the second nomination for the same subject, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valerian shiukashvili, differently spelled, but same subject, which was deleted, broadly endorsed, via AfD in 2011. The main editor of the article (as well for this one as for the previously deleted one) is definitely a WP:SPA, with a strong odour of WP:COI (likely the subject themselves or very close to them, so more than likely little more than a self-promotional auto-biography, which should be deleted ASAP per various policies). --Francis Schonken (talk) 12:02, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, or, alternately, move to draft, with the understanding that if it is not substantially improved in the next six months, it will be deleted as abandoned. bd2412 T 19:43, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.