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The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page. All edits should go to the talk page of this case. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user, read this for detailed instructions.

User:Florentino floro

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Suspected sockpuppeteer

Florentino floro (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Suspected sockpuppets

Juanatoledo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)


Report submission by

Shrumster 10:45, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Evidence
  • The major activity that caught my eye was the similarity of their edit histories, specifically their Edit Summary styles. Both accounts' edit summaries (Florentino floro (talk · contribs) and Juanatoledo (talk · contribs)) are of the similar "to ... " format. For example, both accounts utilize the "to add news on xxx".
  • The similarity of both accounts' edit summaries carry over to their talk page edit summaries. They both use "to explain xxx" as edit summaries for edits made on talk pages.
  • Comparing the contributions of both accounts, their edits never occur at the same time. The edits of Florentino floro (talk · contribs) are the more numerous and continuous, starting with a disruptive edit on June 28, 2007 diff. His edits continue daily until July 3, where he takes a hiatus. He starts editing again on July 7, daily until July 17.
  • Conversely, Juanatoledo (talk · contribs)'s edits start on July 5-6, 20, 22, 30 and August 6, the last one to add Florentino V. Floro to a particular list diff. The two accounts never edit at the same time and edit related articles. On the three days that they do have edits, July 20, 22 and August 6, the times of the edits never coincide.
  • For example, on July 20, Juanatoledo (talk · contribs) edits from 17:21 - 17:39 while Florentino floro (talk · contribs) edits from 15:30 to 15:54.
  • The similarity of the articles of the edits of the two accounts is also notable. First and foremost, both take a great deal of interest in the Florentino V. Floro article (of whom Florentino floro (talk · contribs) is the subject and has shown to have created and edited before).
Comments

I am Judge Florentino V. Floro. I want to submit evidence that I am not a sock puppet. First, due to limited knowledge of the Rules, I registered Judgefloro the first account, and then the correct present florentino floro. Fisherqueen notified me of this ambiguity, so I replied in my Userpage that I will from that time use the 2nd florentino floro; so I obeyed and never edited judgefloro nor used it.

I have no idea about the whereabouts of Juanatoledo. My problem is: I had been known worldwide and I made many enemies here in the Philippines. In fact I know that some of my detractors are using my name or any similarity of Floro to make it appear that that name or username are my ALTERS. If ever, juanatoledo or melanie almera are accused to me me

the BEST EVIDENCE is to call me since I am Judge Floro here at 123 dahlia alido malolos, 3000 Bulacan, with land line (044) 662-8203 philippines;

my contributions are the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Florentino+floro

I examined juanatoledo's contributions, and they are:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Juanatoledo

there are lots of differences and similarities

with respect to similarities

I judge and state this user juanatoledo, is also here in the philippines, and could have used the site, place and areas, where I edited, PLUS, studied carefully my contributions, TO CONTRIBUTE AND EDIT what I did edit, thus, making it appear to harm florentino floro to make a case of socket

But it is very clear that my own contributions are in favor of WIKIPEDIA and are very good and timely contributions especially for top people like reynato puno, gregory s. ong, teresita de castro, these are big people or justices here, and I got first hand info to write about them.

What is the harm?

my own article Florentino V. Floro was incorrectly written by such melanie, and then I committed a mistake of editing it, and Fisherqueen the admin re-wrote it coz of its world-famous value

Tito Pao even encouraged me to be at Tambayan


why? It is clear from the contributions that juanatoledo

Tito Pao, and I myself like Shrumster, I, I myself, graduated 1965 elementary at St. Mary's Academy Meycauayan Bulacan, then I graduated AB and LLB Ateneo de Manila University, 1974, 1982, so Shrumster should know me.

Based on my contributions, which are so FAVORABLE to WIKI, why should I be charged Sockpuppet?

At the very least, juanatoledo or melanie should be the ones charged not me, a JUDGE who already suffered INJUSTICE here in my own country.

Wikipedia is great, and my contributions are great. I followed the rules, why should other usernames make me a sockpuppet.

I do not advertise I never wrote on my friends, I just add and edit on great autos or events I first see on the internet to MAKE WIKI bigger.

Shrumster graduated elementary from St. Mary's College of Meycauayan, high school from the Ateneo de Manila High School, and college from the Ateneo de Manila University. Currently pursuing a Master of Science in Marine Biology degree at the University of the Philippines' Marine Science Institute.

Just BECAUSE juanatoledo or melanie contributed in like manner is this a reason for me to be blocked.

Wiki should weigh the quality and greatness of the contributions rather than piece-meal and circumstantial evidence of sockpuppet.

I know what Shurmster is driving at, but he is unaware of the fact that I have detractors and enemies due to my predictions ... the deaths in the Philippine Judiciary and because of this, some may have read my dire death prophesies and took vengeance on me, even here....

If THERE IS HARD EVIDENCE in law, equity and under Wiki Rules, that these juanatoledo and melanie are sockpuppet, then, do not include me or accuse me of such actuations.

I had contributed many many good news and things about many big people here, to make NEUTRAL their articles and to let people know about them ...

I therefore, petition that the accusation against me, be DENIED for utter lack of basis, merit, and due to impetinence and misnomer.

--Florentino floro 05:02, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]


In addition to the above refutation, contradiction and traversing the accusations and allegations of Shrumster,

I am JUXTAPOSING the critical facts and proofs, that I Judge Florentino V. Floro, Jr. and Shrumster -

1) are from the same town of Meycauayan City, 2) studied from same Meycauayan St. Mary's Academy and 3) graduated from the same Ateneo De Manila University,

these SAME places reveal that the

MOTIVE behind the filing of this sockpuppet case against me: I want to show that NO WIKIPEDIAN outside the Philippines, outside my SCHOOL ATENEO, outside my TOWN MEYCAUAYAN, BULACAN, ever accused me of such violation of Wiki Rules.

It is UNTHINKABLE in law, morals, ethics and Wiki principles that a SCHOOLMATE, TOWNMATE would accuse me of such grave violations.

MOTIVE THEREFORE is so important: What is the AGENDA or HIDDEN REASON why he accused me

despite the fact that NOTED WIKIPEDIANS honored me and NOTED my great contributions here: Tito Pao

Joselito Basilio

[[User:Algabal|Algabal]

THE FOLLOWING IS MY OWN PROFILE - (PART OF)

The name of this writer is Florentino V. Floro, Jr. He hails from Calvario, Meycauayan City, Bulacan, a province where the historic Barasoain Church is located and produced notable Filipinos:


Florentino floro graduated elementary (1965) from St. Mary's College of Meycauayan, high school (1969) from St. Vincent's Seminary, Karuhatan, Valenzuela City, and college, Bachelor of Arts, pre-divinity and philosophy, from the Ateneo de Manila University. He earned the [[degree] of Bachelor of Laws (1982) at the Ateneo School of Law, with FULL SECOND HONORS. He placed 12th in the 1983 Philippine Bar Examination, with a bar rating of 87.55% in one of the hardest examination, where only 21.3% passed. He was duly appointed Regional Trial Court Judge of Br. 73, Malabon City, on his natal day of November 5, 1998, was placed under indefinite preventive suspension on July 20, 1999 until he was separated from service and paid 3 years back wages by the Supreme Court of the Philippines on April 6, 2006.

THE FOLLOWING IS PART OF THE PROFILE OF Shrumster -

Shrumster graduated elementary from St. Mary's College of Meycauayan, high school from the Ateneo de Manila High School, and college from the Ateneo de Manila University. Currently pursuing a Master of Science in Marine Biology degree at the University of the Philippines' Marine Science Institute.

SUPPLEMENTAL REPLY AND CONTRADICTION SUMMARY OF THE ACCUSATION:

Verily, the foregoing CLEARLY proves that the MOTIVE, that is, the accuser Shrumster is my own schoolmate and townmate who knows me and who has a HIDDEN AGENDA of SHUTTING me out to contribute to Wiki due to personal and hidden anger, hatred and baseless and utterly without merit accusations.

--Florentino floro 05:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply. I assume that you're not familiar with WP:AGF. Actually, there is no hidden agenda here. All I saw was a possible WP:COI violation through WP:SOCK. I had no idea who you were or that you even existed before I stumbled upon the Wikipedia article about you. And while I am amused at the similarities you have pointed out, they're pretty much coincidental. I wasn't even born yet when you graduated law school, if that info is accurate. Shrumster 21:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re-Joinder and Additional Evidence against the accusation

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I want to submit evidence that aside from the fact that I and accuser Shrumster both hail from MEYCAUAYAN, BULACAN, and both of us are ALUMNI of ATENEO de MANILA University, Philippines, I have contributed so much to Wikipedia: I quote parts of my User profile:

Florentino V. Floro is of Filipino and Chinese ancestry.

He is currently a citizen of the Republic of the Philippines.

Florentino floro graduated elementary (1965) from St. Mary's College of Meycauayan, high school (1969) from St. Vincent's Seminary, Karuhatan, Valenzuela City, and college, Bachelor of Arts, pre-divinity and philosophy, from the Ateneo de Manila University. He earned the [[degree] of Bachelor of Laws (1982) at the Ateneo School of Law, with FULL SECOND HONORS. He placed 12th in the 1983 Philippine Bar Examination, with a bar rating of 87.55% in one of the hardest examination, where only 21.3% passed. He was duly appointed Regional Trial Court Judge of Br. 73, Malabon City, on his natal day of November 5, 1998, was placed under indefinite preventive suspension on July 20, 1999 until he was separated from service and paid 3 years back wages by the Supreme Court of the Philippines on April 6, 2006.

This writer also contributes to the Wikipedia and expresses his views in his blog ANGEL OF DEATH, LUIS ARMAND and ANGEL. He is a practicing Roman Catholic; a mild environmentalist; and a strong advocate of healthy living.


Contributions to Wikipedia

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I have an eclectic range of interests, but am primarily concerned with editing and creating well-written pages relating to my own country, specifically, concerning Law, the Philippine Judiciary and Filipino people. Contributing in Wikipedia since 2007 gives me a sense of fulfillment as I'm able to share to others what I know. I hope to expound more on articles related to Law. Florentino V. Floro is well-versed in subjects relating to Philippine politics, Law, media, society, popular culture, and entertainment.

Articles and categories created
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--Florentino floro 12:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Articles and categories expanded, revised, improved or with minor edits
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IN THE LIGHT OF THE FOREGOING, I request the Wikipedia administrators to DISMISS for utter lack of merit and basis, the accusation of Shrumster. Please weigh my contributions vis-a-vis his own HIDDEN AGENDA and impropriety or insult to WIKIPEDIA. Besides, of all Wikipedians, I, Judge [Florentino V. Floro]] stands out due to the fact I had been IMMORTALIZED in world judicial history (just type judge floro in google or yahoo, etc. search engines, and my world entries, reports, in forums and blogs etc. are unduplicated as far as Philippine judiciary is concerned). Wikipedia MUST BE PROUD to have a WORLD-famous and IMMORTAL Judge who suffered injustice and vindicated by international reports. Wikipedia is GREAT, and it must have GREAT and FAMOUS wikipedians too. AccuserShrumster cannot even show PROOF that he can match just 1% of my google entries and results.

It will be a great loss to Wikipedia if I am banned. MY conscience is clear and his accusation based on technicalities must perforce be branded as SPAM and suspicious. He is unworthy to be a Wikipedian, most unworthy to be an ATENEAN who goes for TRUTH and INTEGRITY.

I accuse Shrumster of being the ALTER and sockpuppet of some justices here, who do not want me to contribute to judiciary articles to make them NEUTRAL.

It is UNTHINKABLE that this accuser will DENY not knowing me, when he wrote in HIS PROFILE that he is from my OWN TOWN MEYCAUAYAN, and from my OWN SCHOOL ATENEO. That is EVADING the ISSUE and my CONTRADICTIONS. He is not telling the TRUTH, He is LYING.

PROOF: When I edited and added Extra-juidicial killings summit plus the twin deaths of Narcisa PUno and Luzviminda Puno, the mother and wife of our Chief Justice, per verifiable links, the accuser suddenly NOTICED my ALLEGED but unproved errors or technical mistakes here. Such editing of these twin deaths for sure MADE them got angry. So, why should Shrumster instead edit and delete these? Here is the auto

Reynato Puno our Chief Justice now

--Florentino floro 04:34, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply. I suggest that you read WP:AGF please, for your own sake. WP:CIVIL may also be a great help. Also, instead of throwing around baseless accusations, please attempt address the actual issue (the sockpuppet case) with your comments. Thank you. Shrumster 07:21, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply and Contradiction

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If you read carefully my above refutations, reply and contradictions of all your baseless and unjust accusation, when YOU SHOULD ASSUME GOOD FAITH in the editing of editors, as basic Wiki Rule, you can clearly comprehend that I utterly destroyed each and all your malicious accusations. You, yourself, never come out of the open, never identified yourself, hiding under an incognito or blank name, for hidden purposes, proving my point that you ARE verily a puppet or and alter of some ateneans or jurists in the Philippines whom I had caused pains by cleansing our corrupt judiciary by Imprecation under Psalm 109,and 53 Bible, towards 8 medical surgeries of incumbent justices, as God's will and punishment. Why don't you refute each and every contradictions that I submitted to you? Why can't your EXPLAIN my contra-accusation that as TOWNMATE and CO-ALUMNI of the ateneo, WHY in this big and prestigious Wiki world, that no other Wikipedia accused me CONSIDERING MY MANY CONTRIBUTIONS here, of being sockpuppet? Why a filipino, a bulakeno, my own town meycauayaneno, and co-atenean, and not others or WIKI foreigners or even other school wiki here should accuse me? This is a simple case of UTTER VENGEANCE to me by you, and I fervently pray that this injustice be undone. Every midnights starting your accusation I had prayed PSALM 109 and 53 including your name Shrumster in my very HOLY and BLESSED catholic and religous IMPRECATION of your and your family up to the 4th generation. This is my religous belief.

--Florentino floro 07:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to another accusation of Vandalism

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I read about vadalism, and I quote:

Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia. The most common types of vandalism include the addition of obscenities to pages, page blanking, or the insertion of bad (or good) jokes or other nonsense. Fortunately, these types of vandalism are usually easy to spot. Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Apparent bad-faith edits that do not make their bad-faith nature inarguably explicit are not considered vandalism at Wikipedia. For example, adding a personal opinion once is not vandalism—it's just not helpful, and should be removed or restated.

I am a lawyer and judge. I read carefully the intent and literal meaning of vandalism. You accused me first of sockpuppetry and I read the rules, thus, I submitted evidence and counter-evidence against your defamatory and malicious allegations. That is the essence of protecting the intergrity of Wikipedia. For me, it clearly appears, that based on your accusations and replies, you are the sockpuppet of some ateneans or jurists here who are interferring in my legal, just, and neutral contributions to Wikipedia. Due process of law even in Wiki assures me of my right to submit not censored but full evidence to contradict your accusations. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6947532.stm If you read this news today, some edit in Wiki as puppets really.

If you do not like my evidence, then you are free to delete edit or even erase your entire userpage and make a new one. I cannot accept your statement that you do not know me, since, you were not yet born when I graduated ... that is silly, if you are a good wikipedian as you claim, why did you not read my auto written by Fisherqueen Florentino V. Floro? Why did you not bother to ask from Calvario, Meycauayan, Bulacan who I am? Ask Dean Cesar L. Villanueva of the ateneo, my classmate who am I? You just filed this case against me without even knowing who I am. That is plain defamation and libel. In fact DOJ Gonzales filed a case of Libel against Co, now in the Courts. Read that news. I also notice that you did not even put your name in your Userpage and you have no picture. Why are you not brave enough to identify yourself? Ateneo is a school which deals with LUX IN DOMINO, integrity, justice and so on. You miserably fail to be a good ateneo alumni. I already suffered martyrdom in Filipino Justice, and I found kindness in more than 1,000 blogs and 100 forums that compassionately sided with me against the courts. If you read the news, under PERC survey our country is No. 1 in corruption. Now, even if thousands of Wiki users never accused me of such PETTY technicalities that you deal with, you, my townmate and co-atenean would file this UNJUST case? To silence me to contribute to this great encyclopedia. I do pitty you.

--Florentino floro 07:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Reply

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The above-responses to the accuser seemed to be legal threats. To make it clear, I am not suing or filing any case in court against the accuser, just that my reply are layman's terms. For sure, in our Philippine Jurisprudence, there is no such this as libel in the internet, since our penal code in 1932 punishes only written in the papers and published. Since there was no internet in 1932, any and all defamation or threats in the internet and here are not actionable.

I am only traversing the accusations and allegations of sockpuppet against me. A cursory perusal of my above responses cleary shows them to be mere replies or re-joinders. I never did consider legal or other "off-wiki" action against them, or against Wikipedia itself. It is the accuser who makes this case more baseless. Hence, I respectfully request the admins to look deeply at my contributions compared to his contributions and the merits of my submissions, instead of techinicalities. I admit that I am a new user and not familiar so much with computer. But with my little learing, I want to learn and my GOOD FAITH shows that I never used any other username other than this and the other judgefloro that I told admin FisherQueen that I would not use anymore due to my mistakes.

--Florentino floro 08:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Conclusions
  • It's quite obvious that Juanatoledo is a sockpuppet of Florentino floro. However, there's been no activity from Juanatoledo since Aug. 6, so this is no longer a current issue. I'm going to block the Juanatoledo account to make sure that it doesn't get used again, and I will warn Florentino floro to observe the provisions of WP:SOCK henceforth. --Akhilleus (talk) 22:05, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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