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Karl Dominik

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No WP:SUSTAINED notability here and highly promotional Amigao (talk) 17:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, China, Poland, and Canada. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to access the Shanghai Daily source in the article (source 2), and the other sources are all unreliable primary sources. By googling the subject's name in Chinese (凱洱), I found only one article mentioning him as part of the cast in a 2023 film called Variant[1]. Even searching for the subject on Douban shows that he has appeared in only eleven roles, most of them are just cast extras and none of which seem significant. Fails GNG and NACTOR. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 05:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mavis Ma

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This article seems to be written in a highly NPOV style, it almost reads like a political attack ad. I'm also not so sure this person even meets GNG and should not be considered notable through their brother(Although it is possible that I'm missing articles not in English). GoldMiner24 ^Talk 04:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Women, China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Massachusetts, and New York. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I agree with the nom that the article currently documents too many "controversies" which potentially violates NPOV. Some minor incidents, such as the subject being scolded by her father in public or her endorsements of candidates, are totally UNDUE and can certainly be removed. However, I believe most content can stay, as much of the subject's political career involved dirty work, supported by numerous sources and opinion pieces like the one from Apple Daily by Neil Peng (source 33). Although NPOV is a serious concern, AFD is not cleanup, and I do not think notability is an issue for the subject. Currently, there are more than 30 sources listed in the article, with even more in the zhwiki one. I scanned through the first 10 sources, and sources 2, 4, 5, 6, 9, and 10 all provided SIGCOV on the subject and are certainly enough to pass GNG. Not to mention a simple Google News search can already yield many full articles about the subject, such as these articles from Central News Agency[2] and ETtoday[3]. I also think that her case regarding the violation of conflict of interest should be sufficient to meet WP:PERP. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 06:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mavis Ma

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This article seems to be written in a highly NPOV style, it almost reads like a political attack ad. I'm also not so sure this person even meets GNG and should not be considered notable through their brother(Although it is possible that I'm missing articles not in English). GoldMiner24 ^Talk 04:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Women, China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Massachusetts, and New York. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I agree with the nom that the article currently documents too many "controversies" which potentially violates NPOV. Some minor incidents, such as the subject being scolded by her father in public or her endorsements of candidates, are totally UNDUE and can certainly be removed. However, I believe most content can stay, as much of the subject's political career involved dirty work, supported by numerous sources and opinion pieces like the one from Apple Daily by Neil Peng (source 33). Although NPOV is a serious concern, AFD is not cleanup, and I do not think notability is an issue for the subject. Currently, there are more than 30 sources listed in the article, with even more in the zhwiki one. I scanned through the first 10 sources, and sources 2, 4, 5, 6, 9, and 10 all provided SIGCOV on the subject and are certainly enough to pass GNG. Not to mention a simple Google News search can already yield many full articles about the subject, such as these articles from Central News Agency[4] and ETtoday[5]. I also think that her case regarding the violation of conflict of interest should be sufficient to meet WP:PERP. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 06:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tunbow

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Appears to be wholly promotional Amigao (talk) 06:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies, Products, and Hong Kong. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 06:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Only routine business listings found. Fails WP:NCORP. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 11:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The company's Chinese name is Tunbow Group (traditional Chinese: 東保集團; simplified Chinese: 东保集团) and the founder is Charles Chan (traditional Chinese: 陳鑑光; simplified Chinese: 陈鉴光). Cunard (talk) 11:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lantau Link Visitors Centre

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Even after addition of sources, topic still seems unimportant. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 13:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Museums and libraries and Hong Kong. Shellwood (talk) 13:37, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep: GNG is clearly fulfilled after I deproded the article. The two Oriental Daily News articles (source 1 and 4) and the am730 article (source 5) are full-length articles with detailed coverage on the centre's history and current condition. "topic still seems unimportant" is not a deletion rationale but a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 13:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and Redirect to Tsing_Ma_Bridge#Tourism - I don't think the sources constitute significant coverage, Source 1 and 4 are basically the same article from the same source, Source 5 is barely in-depth and just those two sources don't reach the level required; this article will never be able to expanded upon based on the available sources. I think merging into Tsing_Ma_Bridge#Tourism would be better. :JeffUK 14:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Tsing_Ma_Bridge#Tourism: "Seems unimportant" is not a reason for deletion, but everything I found (with the help of Google translate) ties it into the bridge. Length isn't an issue, so I think a merger makes the most sense here. Star Mississippi 14:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @JeffUK and Star Mississippi: I am interested to hear more detailed comments on the sources from you guys. Even if articles from the same media outlet count as one like Jeff suggested, the Oriental Daily News articles are a still decent source that detail the development and current condition of the visitor centre's lack of maintenance. The am730 article is barely in-depth? The 1,800-word article is entirely about the centre, ranging from its construction history, to its tourism development, and to the recent public discussions about revitalization. I would really like to hear what Jeff thinks this article is about if you believe it is not focused on the visitor centre, and how does it relate to the bridge when it was only briefly mentioned for four times throughout the article? GNG only requires SIGCOV from multiple sources, and these two articles already meet the criterion, not to mention other sources currently listed in the article, like the Sing Tao Daily article (source 9) which is also entirely about the centre and viewing platform. I think a potential factor leading to our varied analyses of the sources may stem from the disregard for the mentions of the viewing platform in those articles. The official name of the location is actually Lantau Link Visitors Centre and Viewing Platform[6][7] (like the Chinese translation suggested: 青嶼幹綫訪客中心及觀景台), and they are the same place. (I believe a move is much needed if this article is to be kept.). —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 14:32, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  As WP:GNG says "This is not a guarantee that a topic will necessarily be handled as a separate, stand-alone page." I think it will look great as a part of the Tsing Ma Bridge article. On the specific source, barely means 'it is in-depth, but only just', the fact it's 1,800 words long isn't relevant, it's a lot of talk that says very little, the reason we have WP:SIGCOV is, partly, to ensure there is enough unique information available for us to create an article. JeffUK 15:17, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I agree with @JeffUK here @Prince of Erebor. The reader wants to learn about the bridge, which includes this viewing area. They are the same subject and it makes sense for them to be covered together. WP:NOPAGE is also helpful here. It would be different if there was information independent of the bridge and/or there was a length issue. I think the official name isn't a strong issue, it can be addressed with a redirect should this close as merge or be retained as a standalone. Star Mississippi 15:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  
  [Edit conflict] JeffUK, I apologize if my emphasis on the article's length caused confusion. I understand that your initial comment was about the article lacking SIGCOV on the subject, which I respectfully disagreed with, as the article is entirely focused on it. I do not believe your interpretation of SIGCOV aligns with what SIGCOV means. SIGCOV refers to a source that addresses the topic directly and in detail, rather than providing only a passing or brief mention, so I do not think the am730 article fails to meet SIGCOV. I think you are more likely referring to WP:NOPAGE, and I understand your perspective and the rationale that notability alone does not guarantee a standalone article. If the current article were a stub with only two sentences and only two sources just to bypass GNG, I definitely agree with you. But the article has sufficient notability, especially with a revitalization project underway and ongoing news coverage, including articles published as recently as this year (the Our China Story source). Therefore, I do not agree with your assertion that the article has no potential for expansion, and I do not see a need to merge it. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 15:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Sorry, Star Mississippi, we were writing at the same time, and my comment was only addressing Jeff's arguments. However, I also thought you guys were leaning towards the NOPAGE side, and imo, the revitalization project mentioned in the am730 source already indicates the subject's independence from the bridge. I realize I may have failed to express my final comments regarding the official name of the Centre. What I meant to convey is that the viewing platform is also part of the subject, so perhaps you guys overlooked the lines discussing the viewing platform or observation deck and thought they referred to the bridge instead of the Centre, because I was a bit confused when multiple editors found that article lacked in-depth coverage of the subject. Apologies for the confusion. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 15:54, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  
  Anyway, thanks both for clarifying things for me and I now understand the arguments from you guys, which focus not on the sources but on the lack of independence of the subject. Let's see what other editors have to say about this. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 16:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  All good @Prince of Erebor and we'll see where this lands. I'm not against retention, I'm just not sure it's the best solution for readers. Thanks, as always, for your detailed input. Star Mississippi 19:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
Wikipedia:Notability#Whether to create standalone pages

Wikipedia:Notability#Whether to create standalone pages says:
When creating new content about a notable topic, editors should consider how best to help readers understand it. Often, understanding is best achieved by presenting the topic on a dedicated standalone page, but it is not required that we do so; at times it is better to cover a notable topic as part of a larger page about a broader topic, with more context (and doing so in no way disparages the importance of the topic).
The guideline says to consider three questions:
1. Does other information provide needed context? Sometimes, a notable topic can be covered better as part of a larger article, where there can be more complete context that would be lost on a separate page" – I do not think context would be lost by covering Lantau Link Visitors Centre on its own page.
2. Do related topics provide needed context? Sometimes, several related topics, each of them similarly notable, can be collected into a single page, where the relationships between them can be better appreciated than if they were each a separate page – I think that a brief mention of Lantau Link Visitors Centre in Tsing Ma Bridge#Tourism is sufficient and that merging the entire article about the centre to there would not allow relationships to be "better appreciated than if they were each a separate page".
3. What sourcing is available now? Sometimes, when a subject is notable, but it is unlikely that there ever will be a lot to write about it, editors should weigh the advantages and disadvantages of creating a permanent stub. – there is a lot to write about. This article is already much larger than a "permanent stub". It could be further expanded with the additional sources I've presented here.
There are multiple possible merge targets:
1. Tsing Yi island – this bridge is on the island
2. Tsing Ma Bridge#Tourism – sources mention that this bridge can be seen from the centre
3. Kap Shui Mun Bridge – sources mention that this bridge can be seen from the centre
4. Ting Kau Bridge – sources mention that this bridge can be seen from the centre
When there are this many merge targets, I'm inclined to support a standalone article. A merge to any of those pages would result in undue weight. The sources discuss the centre's history, the various government entities that managed it over the years, why it became in disrepair and the plans to fix it, the three bridges that can be seen from it, the contents of the centre ("the information models, photos, and interactive games about the bridges"), and the flowers around it ("It is the place with the largest number of Rhododendrons planted in a single location in Hong Kong"). There is sufficient content and sources to support a standalone article about the centre.

Sources
1. "am專訪｜青嶼幹線觀景台活化正收集建議　葵青DO鄧顯權：公眾參與最重要　冀善用潛力搞旺設施" [am Exclusive Interview｜Suggestions are being collected for the revitalization of the Lantau Link Observation Deck. Kwai Tsing DO Tang Hin-kuen: Public participation is the most important and we hope to make good use of the potential to develop facilities.]. am730 (in Chinese). 2023-11-24. Archived from the original on 2024-12-23. Retrieved 2024-12-23.
  The article notes: "坐落青衣島西北角落的青嶼幹線觀景台及訪客中心，坐擁青馬大橋和汀九橋的海景，與青馬大橋一同在1997年啟用，初時吸引大批市民到訪一覽新橋景色，惟熱潮過後人流不再，公共交通服務在緊接數年亦縮減至每小時一班專線小巴。在疫情前的2019年，觀景台有約11.6萬人次到訪，而今年截至上月31日訪客人次已達53,280人，約為疫前的一半。為吸引更多遊客，葵青民政事務處今年8月推出「青嶼想想」計劃，就活化觀景台收集市民意見，包括在區內擺街站、舉辦工作坊和邀請遞交建議書等。"
  From Google Translate: "The Lantau Link Observation Deck and Visitor Centre, located at the northwest corner of Tsing Yi Island, has a sea view of the Tsing Ma Bridge and Ting Kau Bridge. It was opened in 1997 together with the Tsing Ma Bridge. It initially attracted a large number of citizens to visit and enjoy the scenery of the new bridge. However, After the boom, the flow of people stopped, and public transport services were reduced to one green minibus every hour in the following years. In 2019 before the pandemic, about 116,000 people visited the observation deck. As of last month 31 this year, the number of visitors had reached 53,280, about half of the number before the pandemic. In order to attract more tourists, the Kwai Tsing District Office launched the "Think About Lantau" project in August this year to collect public opinions on the revitalization of the observation deck, including setting up street stops in the district, holding workshops and inviting submissions of proposals."
2. Lung, Ngai-cheung 龍藝祥 (2012-12-09). "青嶼幹線觀景台拍照一流" [The Lantau Link Observation Deck is great for taking photos]. Sing Pao Daily News (in Chinese). p. A6.
  The article notes: "青嶼幹線訪客中心及觀景台位於青衣島西北角，是香港一所介紹青嶼幹線的展覽館，佔地19,000平方米，訪客中心是於1997年5月隨青嶼幹線通車正式對外開放，觀景台設有青馬大橋、汲水門大橋、汀九橋組件戶外展覽及訪客中心。訪客中心設有介紹大橋資料模型、相片和互動遊戲；從螺旋式的小路繞著圓柱形的觀景台而上，遊人便可以較近距離或高角度，可遠眺青馬大橋、汲水門大橋及汀九橋，訪客中心設有行人天橋連接停車場，公廁設在停車場。"
  From Google Translate: "The Lantau Link Visitor Centre and Observation Deck is located in the northwest corner of Tsing Yi Island. It is an exhibition hall introducing the Lantau Link in Hong Kong, covering an area of 19,000 square meters. The visitor centre was officially opened to the public in May 1997 with the opening of the Lantau Link. The observation deck has an outdoor exhibition and visitor centre for the Tsing Ma Bridge, Kap Shui Mun Bridge and Ting Kau Bridge components. The visitor centre is equipped with information models, photos and interactive games about the bridges. Going up the spiral path around the cylindrical observation deck, visitors can overlook the Tsing Ma Bridge and Kap Shui Mun Bridge from a close or high angle. and Ting Kau Bridge, the visitor centre has a pedestrian bridge connecting the parking lot, and public toilets are located in the parking lot."
  The article notes: "訪客中心最初由新機場工程總署負責管理及運作，該署於1998年解散後，展覽中心交由民政事務總署葵青民政事務處負責管理。此外，訪客中心種植大量洋紫荊、羊蹄甲屬、杜鵑花等植物，是香港單一地點種植最多杜鵑花的地方。"
  From Google Translate: "The Visitor Centre was initially managed and operated by the New Airport Works Department. After the Department was disbanded in 1998, the exhibition centre was managed by the Kwai Tsing District Office of the Home Affairs Department. In addition, the Visitor Centre is planted with a large number of Bauhinia spp., Rhododendron spp., Rhododendron and other plants. It is the place with the largest number of Rhododendrons planted in a single location in Hong Kong."
3. "山水兼備風景優美回歸紀念徑青衣頭等風光" [A Blend of Mountains and Water, Beautiful Scenery: Top Views at the Return of Sovereignty Commemoration Trail, Tsing Yi]. Hong Kong Daily News [zh] (in Chinese). 2014-12-19. pp. Q16–Q17.
  The article notes: "若大家想一覽可青馬大橋、汲水門大橋及汀九橋，青嶼幹線訪客中心及觀景台是值得一去的地方，它位於青衣島西北角，是一所介紹青嶼幹線的展覽館，佔地19000平方米，於1997年5月隨青嶼幹線通車正式對外開放。"
  From Google Translate: "If you want to take a look at the Tsing Ma Bridge, Kap Shui Mun Bridge and Ting Kau Bridge, the Lantau Link Visitor Centre and Observation Deck is a place worth visiting. It is located in the northwest corner of Tsing Yi Island and is an exhibition hall introducing the Lantau Link, covering an area of 19,000 square meters, was officially opened to the public in May 1997 with the opening of the Lantau Main Line."
  The article notes: "觀景台設有青馬大橋、汲水門大橋、汀九橋組件戶外展覽及訪客中心。訪客中心設有介紹大橋資料模型、相片和互動遊戲；從螺旋式的小路繞著圓柱形的觀景台而上，遊人便可以近距離或高角度眺望青馬大橋、汲水門大橋及汀九橋，訪客中心設有行人天橋連接停車場，公廁設在停車場。青嶼幹線訪客中心及觀景台訪客中心及觀景台免費入場。"
  From Google Translate: "The observation deck has an outdoor exhibition and visitor centre for the Tsing Ma Bridge, Kap Shui Mun Bridge and Ting Kau Bridge components. The visitor centre is equipped with information models, photos and interactive games on the bridge. Going up the spiral path around the cylindrical observation deck, visitors can view the Tsing Ma Bridge, Kap Shui Mun Bridge and Ting Kau Bridge at close range or from a high angle. , the visitor centre has a pedestrian bridge connecting the parking lot, and public toilets are located in the parking lot. Lantau Link Visitor Centre and Observation Deck Admission to the Visitor Centre and Observation Deck is free."
  The article notes: "此外，訪客中心種植大量洋紫荊、羊蹄甲屬、杜鵑花等植物，是香港單一地點種植最多杜鵑花的地方。每年二、三月期間，萬朵杜鵑花盛開的時候，到來賞花也是一樂也。另外亦種有一棵逾百年的細葉榕。"
  From Google Translate: "In addition, the Visitor Centre is planted with a large number of Bauhinia spp., Rhododendron spp., Rhododendron and other plants. It is the place with the largest number of Rhododendrons planted in a single location in Hong Kong. Every year during February and March, when thousands of azaleas are in full bloom, it is a pleasure to come and enjoy the flowers. There is also a fig tree that is over a hundred years old."
4. "青嶼幹線觀景台欄杆日久失修　破爛穿窿訪客靠近有危險" [Railings of Lantau Link Observation Deck Deteriorated Over Time, With Holes and Damage Posing Danger to Visitors]. Oriental Daily News (in Chinese). 2021-01-17. Archived from the original on 2024-12-23. Retrieved 2024-12-23.
  The article notes: "青嶼幹線觀景台屬本港重要地標之一，訪客可看到青馬大橋、汀九橋以及馬灣海峽，惟當局未有妥善管理，令觀景台日久失修，危機處處。本報接獲讀者投訴，指觀景台欄杆驚現大量裂紋，更有部分欄杆表面破爛，原本空心的內部積藏垃圾。有區議員直言擔心有潛在危險，促當局盡快處理；有測量師則指，當局應趁現在進行一個較完整的維修。當局回覆本報查詢時表示，正安排維修欄杆。"
  From Google Translate: "The Lantau Link Observation Deck is one of the important landmarks in Hong Kong. Visitors can see the Tsing Ma Bridge, Ting Kau Bridge and Ma Wan Strait. However, the authorities have not properly managed it, causing the observation deck to be in disrepair over time and full of dangers. This newspaper received complaints from readers that a large number of cracks appeared on the railings of the observation deck, and some of the railings were tattered, with garbage accumulating inside the originally hollow interior. Some district councilors bluntly expressed concerns about potential dangers and urged the authorities to deal with it as soon as possible; some surveyors pointed out that the authorities should take advantage of the opportunity to carry out a more complete repair. In response to this newspaper's inquiry, the authorities stated that they were arranging repairs to the railings."
5. Cheng, Yuk-kwan 鄭玉君 (2020-04-07). Siu, Ching-man 肖靜文 (ed.). "賞橋又賞花" [Enjoy the Bridge and Flowers]. Hong Kong Commercial Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-12-23. Retrieved 2024-12-23.
  The article notes: "位處青衣島鑊底灣西北面的青嶼幹線訪客中心及觀景台，週末便有數百人前來觀賞。若想人少一點，最好在平日的早上。在晴朗天氣登上觀景台，景色一絕，宏偉的青馬大橋及汀九橋就在眼前，亦可遠眺馬灣一帶景色，3 月時節，洋紫荊及杜鵑花還未凋謝，賞橋又賞花，襯上藍天白雲，可謂良辰美景。"
  From Google Translate: "The Lantau Link Visitor Centre and Observation Deck, located northwest of Wok Di Wan on Tsing Yi Island, attracts hundreds of people to watch it on weekends. If you want fewer people, it’s best to go in the morning on a weekday. On a clear day, you can go up to the observation deck for a stunning view. The majestic Tsing Ma Bridge and Ting Kau Bridge are right in front of you. You can also overlook the scenery of Ma Wan in the distance. In March, the redbuds and azaleas are not yet withered, so you can enjoy the bridge viewing. And admiring the flowers, against the blue sky and white clouds, it is a beautiful scene on a good day."
  The article notes: "訪客中心於1997 年8 月啟用，20 多年來成為外地旅客了解機場核心計畫工程之一的青嶼幹線港的橋頭堡，觀景台也展出青馬大橋和汀九橋的組件。在青衣機鐵站專線小巴站搭乘308M 線可到達訪客中心。"
  From Google Translate: "The Visitor Centre was opened in August 1997. Over the past 20 years, it has been a bridgehead for foreign tourists to learn about the Lantau Link Port, one of the core projects of the airport. The observation deck also displays components of the Tsing Ma Bridge and Ting Kau Bridge. Take the 308M route from the Tsing Yi Airport Green Minibus Station to the Visitor Centre."
6. "每年多近13萬人到訪青嶼幹線觀景台　欄杆破爛危險亦影響觀感" [Nearly 130,000 people visit the Lantau Link Observation Deck every year. The broken and dangerous railings also affect the viewing experience.]. Oriental Daily News (in Chinese). 2021-01-17. Archived from the original on 2024-12-23. Retrieved 2024-12-23.
  The article notes:" 不少旅遊團均會到訪青嶼幹線觀景台，是1997年隨着青嶼幹線通車正式對外開放，佔地約1.9萬平方米，除可看到青馬大橋及汀九橋，因每年春天杜鵑花盛開，亦是拍照打卡的好地方。據葵青民政事務處數字，在2017至2020年，每年到訪人次介乎8.3萬至13.3萬。當區區議員表示，欄杆破爛不但影響遊人觀感，更擔心有潛在危險，促當局盡快處理。"
  From Google Translate: "Many tourist groups will visit the Lantau Link Observation Deck. It was officially opened to the public in 1997 with the opening of the Lantau Link. It covers an area of about 19,000 square meters. In addition to Tsing Ma Bridge and Ting Kau Bridge, it can be seen every year. Rhododendrons are in full bloom in spring, making it a great place to take photos. According to figures from the Kwai Tsing District Office, from 2017 to 2020, the number of visitors per year ranged from 83,000 to 133,000. The district councilors said that the broken railings not only affected the perception of tourists, but also worried about potential dangers, and urged the authorities to deal with it as soon as possible."
7. Ling, Wai 凌薇 (2008-09-20). "世上最長行車鐵路雙用懸索吊橋/青馬大橋" [Tsing Ma Bridge, the longest dual-purpose suspension bridge for railways in the world]. Ta Kung Pao (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-12-23. Retrieved 2024-12-23.
  The article notes: "青馬大橋是香港道路重要的一部分，它聯同汲水門大橋，共同擔當連接大嶼山、赤鱲角香港國際機場與市區的唯一行車通道。同時也成為香港的重要地標和景點，吸引了世界各地的遊客前往參觀。因此，政府在青衣西北部設立青嶼幹線訪客中心及觀景台，讓遊人可以較近距離或高角度遠眺青馬大橋、汲水門大橋及汀九橋。訪客中心及觀景台於1997年隨青嶼幹線通車對外開放。"
  From Google Translate: "The Tsing Ma Bridge is an important part of Hong Kong's roads. Together with the Kap Shui Mun Bridge, it serves as the only driving channel connecting Lantau Island, the Hong Kong International Airport in Chek Lap Kok and the urban area. At the same time, it has become an important landmark and attraction in Hong Kong, attracting tourists from all over the world. Therefore, the government has set up a Lantau Link Visitor Centre and Observation Deck in the northwest of Tsing Yi, allowing visitors to view the Tsing Ma Bridge, Kap Shui Mun Bridge and Ting Kau Bridge at a closer or higher angle. The visitor centre and observation deck were opened to the public in 1997 with the opening of the Lantau Link."
8. "遊車河攝影勝地青嶼幹線半日遊" [Half-day tour of Lantau Link, a great place for driving and photography]. PC Market [zh] (in Chinese). 2005-11-15. p. A82.
  The article notes: "青馬大橋除創造世界最長同類型吊橋紀錄外，包括青馬大橋在內的「機場核心計畫」也於1999 年榮獲美國建築界權威及編輯選為「二十世紀十大建築成就獎」得主之一，與巴拿馬運河、英法海峽隧道及三藩市金門大橋等其他九項工程齊名。位於青衣島西北端的青嶼幹線訪客中心及觀景台，是了解及觀賞這項壯觀建設的最佳地點，在訪客中心亦展出了幹線的模型，圖片及建築物樣本，於觀景台可將青嶼幹線的宏偉景色一覽無遺。"
  From Google Translate: "In addition to setting the world record for the longest suspension bridge of its kind, the "Airport Core Project" including the Tsing Ma Bridge was also selected by American architectural authorities and editors as one of the "Top Ten Architectural Achievements of the 20th Century" in 1999, along with nine other projects such as the Panama Canal, the Channel Tunnel and the San Francisco Golden Gate Bridge. The Lantau Link Visitor Centre and Observation Deck, located at the northwest end of Tsing Yi Island, is the best place to understand and appreciate this spectacular construction. Models, pictures and building samples of the link are also exhibited in the visitor centre, and the magnificent scenery of the Lantau Link can be seen at a glance from the observation deck."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Lantau Link Visitors Centre and Viewing Platform (simplified Chinese: 青屿干线访客中心及观景台; traditional Chinese: 青嶼幹綫訪客中心及觀景台) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 10:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to see you found this @Cunard. I almost pinged you before I read @Prince of Erebor's user page and realized the extent to which they also had access to Chinese-language sourcing. Happy holidays and thanks as always for your detailed sourcing. Star Mississippi 15:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I extend the same appreciation to Cunard! You are always able to locate a variety of offline sources! Four of the sources you found are currently unused and are definitely good additions to expand the article. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 16:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It always great to see both of you! Thank you and happy holidays and New Year to both of you! Cunard (talk) 10:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I think consensus above is that this Visitors Centre is notable, but there remains the question of merging/PAGEDECIDE. I personally see more than enough sourcing to create a proper article here, far beyond permastub territory, and I agree with Cunard that there isn't a great merge target. Probably Lantau Link would be the best merge target, but all suggestions above were for merging to Tsing_Ma_Bridge#Tourism. For these reasons I lean towards keeping this as a standalone article. Toadspike [Talk] 12:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 14:06, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This article fulfills WP:GNG, and as other editors have argued, there are too many targets for a redirect. In this case, I think a standalone page is appropriate and also necessary to avoid undue weight.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Temmie Chang

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This biography of a living person was published with no sources, and is promotional and unencyclopedic in tone. A ProQuest search yields 11 hits, all of which are brief mentions of her as a collaborator with Toby Fox and contributor of artwork to his video game, Undertale. A Google search yields more, but these do not meet Wikipedia standards for reliability (see WP:RELIABLESOURCES) and do not contribute to notability in the Wikipedia sense. Does not meet WP:BASIC, let alone WP:GNG. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Escaped Chasm. I've done source searching for her in the past out of curiosity regarding if she could have an article or not. She's not notable, and I don't think an argument could be made for her to pass WP:NARTIST either. So, with that being said, redirect this article to Escaped Chasm, which is a game that she created and actually has an article. λ NegativeMP1 04:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mavis Ma

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This article seems to be written in a highly NPOV style, it almost reads like a political attack ad. I'm also not so sure this person even meets GNG and should not be considered notable through their brother(Although it is possible that I'm missing articles not in English). GoldMiner24 ^Talk 04:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I agree with the nom that the article currently documents too many "controversies" which potentially violates NPOV. Some minor incidents, such as the subject being scolded by her father in public or her endorsements of candidates, are totally UNDUE and can certainly be removed. However, I believe most content can stay, as much of the subject's political career involved dirty work, supported by numerous sources and opinion pieces like the one from Apple Daily by Neil Peng (source 33). Although NPOV is a serious concern, AFD is not cleanup, and I do not think notability is an issue for the subject. Currently, there are more than 30 sources listed in the article, with even more in the zhwiki one. I scanned through the first 10 sources, and sources 2, 4, 5, 6, 9, and 10 all provided SIGCOV on the subject and are certainly enough to pass GNG. Not to mention a simple Google News search can already yield many full articles about the subject, such as these articles from Central News Agency[8] and ETtoday[9]. I also think that her case regarding the violation of conflict of interest should be sufficient to meet WP:PERP. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 06:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kdan Mobile

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No properly reliable sources, seemingly written by someone affiliated. Found a profile on CommonWealth Magazine (Taiwan), but that is not enough for company notability. IgelRM (talk) 20:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Two WP:TECHCRUNCH sources (which do not count for notability) and one primary one. Fails both WP:GNG and WP:NCORP. Madeleine (talk) 22:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]