Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pierce County substation attack

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Electrical grid security in the United States. The arguments to keep have not demonstrated that a standalone article is needed. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:43, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pierce County substation attack

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I originally intended on creating this page, but decided against it given that power was restored quickly to the area. If this attack had a prolonged effect on Pierce County, that would be a different story (see Moore County substation attack). elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:13, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Events, and Washington. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:17, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep I understand the editors rationale for the AFD. But, I think this article should be kept as part of the recent rash of such attacks across the country. There were also four attacks, not just one, making this even more of a notable article. It’s in the early stages, it should merely be expanded on at this point. We can come back to AFD later.Juneau Mike (talk) 20:26, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now. There may be merit to merging these articles into a single article about the spate of attacks on electrical substations in late 2022, but for now, it serves as a location for emergent information to be published as the article and its final place develops. As Juneau Mike say, an AfD can always be brought back in later. Criticalus (talk) 21:59, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep given news coverage and likelihood for more as investigations continue. "Pepper" @ 23:07, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per coverage. Sources are ok.BabbaQ (talk) 23:40, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep due to significant news coverage.

RPI2026F1 (talk) 23:51, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article could easily be in Electrical grid security in the United States. This isn't a significant event and it was resolved before any serious impacts could occur. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 18:33, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Per the article, these attacks started at 2am, and went on until the evening. And power was out in excess of 12 hours for most of the victims. This was not a small series of events.Juneau Mike (talk) 00:37, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've been in a few power outages during my life. Going at most 12 hours without power is not an emergency, and there were no deaths reported from this event. If this had occurred for several days, I wouldn't be nominating this. The number of attacks, nor the number of victims, is not what is being discussed here. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:04, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as the article already has a dedicated subsection in Electrical grid security in the United States that references the article as a distinct incident. Although merging there should be considered as an alternative to deletion. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 05:22, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – It seems like a minor attack with little impact. At the height of the attack, 14,000 people lost power, and most got their power back within a few hours. Losing power is a common occurrence, and although this was done maliciously, I don't think it deserves its own article based on that alone. Four attacks on electrical grids have been carried out in the U.S. since November of this year, so I don't think it's particularly rare or unique either. Of those four attacks, I feel that only the one in Moore County has gotten enough attention to warrant its own article. Silent-Rains (talk) 01:53, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Recommend closing as sno:keep. 6 !votes for keep, 2 including the nominator for delete making less than compelling arguments, ie., “this was really no big deal.” I’m not !voting again, just recommending closure after a thus far 3-1 !vote against deletion.Juneau Mike (talk) 15:23, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is not the place to advocate for a decision, nor to downplay valid reasons (this is truly not a major issue and could easily be written into several sentences). The question is not if significant coverage was not met, but rather if this is an independently notable event with lasting impacts. That has not been established by the votes made here. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 20:31, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is the place to advocate for closure. Every AfD I've ever been involved in comes to a point where a call for a decision is made. Besides that, the arguments for delete are weak and are little more than pov. Four substations are brought down in a day long series of attacks - in the middle of a nationwide series of increasing attacks. A minority of editors feel like its no big deal. The keep !votes may not be as long winded, but they are better explained. At this point we should close/keep and if in a year lasting notability isn't there we can revisit it then.Juneau Mike (talk) 21:18, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and/or redirect to Electrical grid security in the United States. Quickest I've made up my mind in an AfD discussion. The impact of the incident doesn't look significant enough for a separate article. The attack on the substation needs context and is better understood when placed within the target page suggested. Rupples (talk) 01:59, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Electrical grid security in the United States. It's been a week and there haven't been any news articles published since the day after the attacks. Not even in the local press. Unless something changes in the future, this event lacks WP:GEOSCOPE, WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE and WP:LASTING. The only notability here is in the context of the other electrical grid attacks in the US this year. Other than that, it's just local news. Surachit (talk) 04:41, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and/or redirect to Electrical grid security in the United States. Per Surachit, the article as presented seems to run afoul of s articles published since the day after the attacks. Not even in the local press. Unless something changes in the future, this event lacks WP:GEOSCOPE, WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE and WP:LASTING. Daniel (talk) 23:06, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Due to WP:LASTING. MrsSnoozyTurtle 06:35, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Electrical grid security in the United States, per the reasons given by Surachit above. PhantomSteve/talk¦contribs\ 10:34, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Recent events, (arrests, motive established, etc., etc) make further discussion necessary. Perhaps in the end, the AfD result will be the same. But let’s give it a day or two for recent events, and how they impact the article, to play out.Juneau Mike (talk) 02:53, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]