Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steven van de Velde

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The result was Speedily kept. "If an issue has a snowball's chance in hell of being accepted by a certain process, there's no need to run it through the entire process."‎. (non-admin closure) (CC) Tbhotch^™ 21:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Steven van de Velde

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Fails WP:PERP as he is a run of the mill criminal who just happened to have his non notable crime dragged up by the media because he was selected for the Olympics. Fails WP:GNG because none of the sources are more than "bad man is Olympian now". Also they are routine match coverage. Dougal18 (talk) 11:41, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep. The subject of the article clearly meets GNG. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:10, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So to you, rape is a “non-notable crime.” (Personal attack removed) Court records are actually a pretty reliable source, don’t you think? Magic on the Mic (talk) 14:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC) — Magic on the Mic (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Yeah, it's a topic of significant public interest as there is serious debate about the character of people representing their countries at an international event and this is a notable example of such, so speedy deletion feels unwise (and maybe a little suspicious) os (talk) os (talk) 14:23, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I pay to use this platform and keep it running. If you start censoring content, that is in the public domain, and proven beyond a reasonable doubt, I'll stop. Rincethis (talk) 14:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC) — Rincethis (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

How exactly do you pay, this is a free website. Oaktree b (talk) 15:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is a non-notable crime, it happens all too often, we aren't a directory of every person that ever did a crime. Oaktree b (talk) 15:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is for posting known facts about notable people/places/things. He is a person known around the world. His crime is a fact. That's the end of the debate. If he didn't want rape tied to his legacy, maybe he shouldn't have raped anyone. Omitting facts just because you don't like them goes against everything Wikipedia was made for. 2603:6080:8B00:2DEC:7A9F:A641:418E:D164 (talk) 16:23, 5 August 2024 (UTC) — 2603:6080:8B00:2DEC:7A9F:A641:418E:D164 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

@Magic on the Mic: This comment is extremely inappropriate. This discussion is about the article, there is absolutely no reason to imply that the nominator is a rapist. That's absolutely disgusting behavior and not at all acceptable on Wikipedia. Di (they-them) (talk) 17:54, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Non-notable crime? He raped a 12 year old. Sort yourself out. Rincethis (talk) 14:28, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Notable" is a term of art here in Wikipedia and refers to whether we should have an article on the subject. The nominator calls it a non-notable crime because we don't have an article on most rapists. Charcoal feather (talk) 14:47, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But Wikipedia IS a source of information on notable figures. He is notable because he's an Olympian. His crime is also therefore notable. Celebrities don't get to disappear from the public eye when they commit heinous crimes. Wikipedia even has a history of listing out unfounded accusations and then referencing they were unfounded, but suddenly listing actual convictions is up for debate based on whether other people who commited the same crime have their own wiki? Seems suspiciously like people just want this swept under the rug. This needs to stay up. 2603:6080:8B00:2DEC:7A9F:A641:418E:D164 (talk) 16:20, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

seriously? why would u want to delete an article that is true?

seems pretty weird…

do u not think pedophilia is a problem? do u think telling the truth it’s important!?

sorry dude. definitely KEEP 2603:8080:E900:5C8E:819F:72A3:2DF6:2242 (talk) 15:47, 5 August 2024 (UTC) — 2603:8080:E900:5C8E:819F:72A3:2DF6:2242 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Keep, per Sirfurboy and Charcoal feather, clearly notable Microplastic Consumer (talk) 16:24, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, passes GNG as an Olympic athlete. Di (they-them) (talk) 17:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

speedy keep, close discussion as per above argument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.189.180 (talk) 13:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC) — 124.179.189.180 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Speedy keep , wait , these are some serious charges and shouldn’t be removed . Kartikeyachoudhary (talk) 14:11, 5 August 2024 (UTC) — Kartikeyachoudhary (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Keep meets GNG. WP:CRIME or WP:BLP1E do not apply because he is notable for attending the Olympics. See WP:PUBLICFIGURE. C F A 💬 14:29, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He will be presumed notable if he wins a medal in the Olympics. Not just for attending. See WP:NATHLETE. On the face of it though, I'd be surprised if he isn't notable under GNG. Some secondary sources would be good at this point, mind. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 14:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's a ton of secondary sources in the actual article with significant coverage. I seriously don't understand the argument that they don't meet GNG because they do. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. de Velde is a run of the mill criminal and a run of the mill Olympic athlete, but that combination is unusual and makes him notable (as the sources demonstrate). Charcoal feather (talk) 14:43, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: "Bad man is olympian" with extensive, worldwide coverage about his story; this is enough for notability. He's one of the many stories to come out of the Paris Olympics, including the boxer that didn't want to fight the other one over gender issues... He's likely not notable as an athlete, but the story surrounding his trip to the Olympics is. Oaktree b (talk) 15:34, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Clearly notable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:40, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Clear case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT, which does not apply to notability. WP:GNG, applies per extensive coverage by media and a notable sports career.BabbaQ (talk) 17:34, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Crime, Olympics, Volleyball, and Netherlands. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:10, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He's a piece of shit, yes, but also meets notability. On a side note, the insane amount of SPAs commenting on this discussion is an issue. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 20:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.