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Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
July 19 1 1
July 27 1 1
July 28 3 1
July 29 2 2
August 1 2 1
August 3 1
August 4 1
August 5 2 1
August 6 1
August 7 1 1
August 8 1
August 9 1
August 10 4 2
August 11 4 2
August 12 1 1
August 13 2 2
August 14 7 5
August 15 5 5
August 16 5 4
August 17 7 5
August 18 8 7
August 19 6 3
August 20 4 2
August 21 1 1
August 22 3 3
August 23 8 4
August 24 6 1
August 25 10 5
August 26 5 2
August 27 12 9
August 28 13 8
August 29 15 7
August 30 20 7
August 31 9 7
September 1 7 7
September 2 8 4
September 3 4 1
September 4 1
September 5 2
September 6 4
September 7 7
September 8 4
September 9 6 1
September 10 5
September 11 6 1
September 12 7
September 13 2
September 14 1
September 15 4
September 16 3
September 17 2
September 18 3
September 19 3
Total 251 114
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September 30

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Wake Me Up When September Ends

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Improved to Good Article status by NegativeMP1 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.

λ NegativeMP1 19:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Looks like an interesting hook to me and the nomination was made in time. The article itself meets all of the standards of a GA, also qualifying for the DYK size requirement with inline citations wherever necessary. The hook fact is verified, there are no copyright issues, and the QPQ is done so I am approving this.--NØ 14:09, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Approved nominations

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Articles created/expanded on July 19

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Max Greyserman

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or ALT1:

  • ... that PGA Tour golfer Max Greyserman and his brother Reed are the first brothers to win the New Jersey Amateur Championship?

or ALT2:

  • ... that a year before golfer Max Greyserman earned his first PGA Tour card, he considered a different career path?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:2101:AA00:A91E:FA5D:EAB2:D6B0 (talk) 08:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • Reviewed: Masada myth
    • Comment: Nominated on behalf of an IP editor who will, as usual, provide the QPQ.
Moved to mainspace by Schwede66 (talk) and 2603:7000:2101:AA00:A91E:FA5D:EAB2:D6B0 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 150 past nominations.

Schwede66 08:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: 8 of the 16 citations were checked for verification and close paraphrasing; no issues arose. I prefer ALT2 because the focus is on the subject of the article. ALT1 may mention a record being set, but the PGA Tour is more prestigious than the New Jersey Amateur Championship, so I still prefer ALT2. Yue🌙 17:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sigh, I forgot to add an icon. The WP:ERRORS discussion was essentially A huge portion of this article rests on sources connected to the subject, like his old university and the PGA and the U.S. Open – WP:RS requires that articles be based on independent sources. Also, a significant portion of the article is WP:PROSELINE statistics, which read really awkwardly and make the article feel half-finished. RoySmith (talk) 18:37, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Schwede66: Please address the above.--Launchballer 15:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I will see if I can address Roy's concerns over the next few days. Thank you. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:1979:BEF5:5AEC:99F4 (talk) 20:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Roy. While I have some views as to the difference between league sources and team or self-published sources as to independence, I've made revisions to the article that I hope will address your concern sufficiently. If not let me know, and I will try to do more. And explain what I at least see as the difference mentioned, and why that difference is important to the goal of wp:errors. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:ECDF:78AA:BB1B:9EDE (talk) 04:04, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:PROSELINE to understand the problem with the Amateur career and Professional career sections. @Theleekycauldron: who raised the original issue at WP:ERRORS.— Preceding unsigned comment added by RoySmith (talk • contribs)

  • Don't think I have much to add; some positive changes in the article, but i'd still like to see a reduction in the non-independent sources. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • OK. I'll seek to make some further positive changes to the article along the lines requested to reduce sourcing to league publication. Also, understanding that proseline is an essay, I'll see what more can be done there. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:A13D:8F1E:26A2:8F66 (talk) 09:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • theleekycauldron I've sought to make further positive changes to the article along the lines requested. Although I would be remiss if I did not point out that I still after consideration believe that there is a great difference between a source that is not independent because it is an autobiography, or even the site of a team, and on the other hand a site of the official WP-accepted source of statistics for a league. Treating them all the same does, I expect, lead us to stray somewhat from the goal of the rule in the first place - which is to avoid COI sourcing. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:F485:C373:DBEC:EA24 (talk) 07:39, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • at this point, I think it's best for me to leave this to an independent reviewer. I will say briefly that I strongly disagree with your view of the independence of leagues from their players, especially as it concerns non-team sports. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:36, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • A new reviewer seems like an apt suggestion. Thanks. How do we request that?

As to your last point, there are of course very few PGA refs at this point. Notably few, as a percentage of refs in the article. And given that the PGA is the official source for bland golf information such as "He ranked fifth on the Tour in putting average," and "he came in 4th at competition x," which is how it's used as a ref here, I'm frankly still not seeing the purpose of the "independent source" rule in its application here - unless you think that the PGA stats are not to be relied upon, unless ESPN or some other RS reports them. Golf Magazine is obtaining that information from another source - it does not generate that information itself - the same as MLB.com and NFL.com in those sports. That strikes me as perhaps somewhat short of a COI concern; and COI is no doubt the basis for the rule in the first place. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:4569:133E:18AA:23EF (talk) 02:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New reviewer needed. Schwede66 16:56, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Reviewing... let's see what we can do, since this is now two months old. Flibirigit (talk) 16:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article still meets newness requirements as per the original review. Length is adequate, and the article was expanded a lot since its original review. Sourcing has improved greatly since the original review. Citations are needed for the "Professional wins" and "Results in major championships" sections. I also note that a variety of independent reliable sources have been added to the article. PGA refs can be used to cite statistics without compromising the independent sources for the prose. The article appears neutral in tone. Earwig returns a 43.8% score for likely plagiarism violation, but I found many proper nouns highlighted which are not plagiarism. I have struck ALT0 since the hook is not about the subject of this article. I have struck ALT2 since it is boring, and many people "consider" changing careers but do not change. ALT1 is interesting, properly mentioned and cited in the article, and verified by the source. There are no images used in the article. The QPQ requirement is complete. Overall, the article is much improved and needs only minor work on sourcing. Flibirigit (talk) 16:59, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to @Tewapack: for cleaning up the sourcing in this article. ALT1 is approved. Flibirigit (talk) 17:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Articles created/expanded on July 27

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Ai Uta

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  • ... that on a survey conducted by Oricon on 2007, Ai Uta was making girls' heart fluttered?
Created by Miminity (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 05:18, 28 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: No - n
  • Other problems: No - Both ALTs seems promotional and may need reworking for grammar.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Wow! "Ai Uta" is such a classic hit, so it's nice seeing an article for it. Article was nominated for DYK within the first 7 days of creation. It has over 1,500 words in prose. Citations are properly sourced. Earig picked up an unlikely copyright violation of 2.9%. Nominator has less than 5 nominations, so a QPQ is not needed at this time. Some suggestions outside of DYK nomination is to follow MOS:JAPAN#Titles of media, as I see some stylized capitalization (such as Greeeen's name). The ALT looks like it can be worked into something interesting, but the way it's currently worded feels a bit promotional. How about:

ALT0a: ... that, in a 2007 survey done by Oricon, Japanese girls found the song "Ai Uta" by the band Greeeen to be a perfect love song for the autumn?"
ALT2: ... that the record label for the Japanese band Greeeen specifically marketed the song "Ai Uta" to teenagers? lullabying (talk) 09:29, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 28

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J1407b

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Illustration of a brown dwarf surrounded by a protoplanetary disk
Illustration of a brown dwarf surrounded by a protoplanetary disk
  • Source: "Issues with the stability of any rings combined with the lack of detection of another eclipse, suggests that J1407b may not be bound to J1407." Mentel, R. T.; et al. (2018). "Constraining the period of the ringed secondary companion to the young star J1407 with photographic plates". Astronomy & Astrophysics.; "...the object we called J1407b is floating freely through the Galaxy, and just happened to pass in front of a very young star." Kenworthy, M. A. J1407b. (2024)
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/White bear of Henry III
  • Comment: The J1407b article was converted from redirect into article as a result of a split from the V1400 Centauri article. I began slowly expanding V1400 Centauri on 8 July 2024, but I did not add much to the J1407b section until 24 July 2024. As of today, it's been 5 days since I significantly expanded the J1407b section. Also, the image is optional; I'm fine whether it is used or not.
Converted from a redirect by Nrco0e (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 20:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Comment: @Nrco0e: Hey, nice work on this article. I just took a look at your previous DYK entries, and this one is slightly different. Per WP:DYKHOOK, "The hook should include a definite fact that is unlikely to change, and citations in the article that are used to support the hook fact must verify the hook and be reliable." Do we know for a fact that J1407b might be a free-floating planet or a brown dwarf? It doesn't seem so. Your current version says it is not a brown dwarf. This hook also gives the impression of WP:CRYSTAL. What do you think? Can you come up with other hooks or do you personally believe this follows the rules? Viriditas (talk) 22:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am actually okay with the hook. Brown dwarf seems to not be ruled out and the crucial word "might" makes it facilely correct whether or not it is actually this way or that! There is even a small chance that this thing is just an extremely eccentric orbit, though the chances of this are slim to none. :) jps (talk) 22:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ජපස: I'm with you. The problem is that the lead of the article currently says "Mamajek's team initially hypothesized that J1407b is an exoplanet or brown dwarf orbiting the star, but that has since been disfavored by later studies", so if we run this hook it will sound incorrect. Could you maybe take a look at the article when you have some time and make any necessary adjustments or propose a new hook? There's also the slight problem that DYK tends to favor hooks that consist of facts that don't change. Thanks, and there's no hurry on any of this. Viriditas (talk) 22:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, you mean because someone might think get confused and think the brown dwarf was not free-floating? It is the orbit that is disfavored as opposed to the identification of the object's planet vs. brown dwarf status. jps (talk) 22:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right. Any way to clarify that? Viriditas (talk) 22:50, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that when J1407b (which is either an exoplanet or brown dwarf) was discovered, it was thought likely to be orbiting the star V1400 Centauri, but current evidence implies it is more likely free-floating? jps (talk) 23:02, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ජපස and Viriditas: Hi, yes, I've been really busy with school and other personal matters, so I apologize for the delay. jps, I think your hook is good, but I think it needs to mention that J1407b has a disk/ring system, since that is what J1407b is most known for. In that case, perhaps you can say this below?
... that when J1407b (a ringed exoplanet or brown dwarf) was discovered, it was thought to be orbiting the star V1400 Centauri, but current evidence implies it is more likely free-floating?
I feel like that the parenthetical part of this hook can be eliminated to make it more concise (i.e. say "when the ringed exoplanet or brown dwarf J1407b was discovered"), but I'm not sure if it flows any better, so I'd like to hear what you two think. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 00:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, this is what we call the "riffing" stage. Parentheticals aren’t really allowed in hooks. Viriditas (talk) 01:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should stick with one or the other. Personally, if I had to choose, I would not say anything about the rings/disk. The lack of a repeated transit is more interesting. But, alternatively, you could say something like "... that J1407b is either a brown dwarf with a protoplanetary disk or a ringed exoplanet." jps (talk) 01:28, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Adding below. Please change or add as necessary. Viriditas (talk) 21:17, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note, the proposed caption for the image is likely too long and needs to be trimmed. Viriditas (talk) 21:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: I'm leaning towards ALT1. The lede of the J1407b article states it is a substellar object (an umbrella term including exoplanets and brown dwarfs), so I think ALT2 would be confusing to the layman. I did change the wording of ALT2 for clarity since the original sounded like J1407b had either a disk or ringed exoplanet, although it still doesn't resolve this aforementioned issue. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 23:00, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Can you please trim the lead image caption? I don't think they will allow a long caption like that. Viriditas (talk) 23:03, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: How short does the caption have to be? Would "Illustration of a brown dwarf surrounded by a protoplanetary disk" be enough or does that caption sound too unrelated to the subject? If the latter is an issue, would it work to include "like J1407b" somewhere in the caption? Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 23:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure, but "Illustration of a brown dwarf surrounded by a protoplanetary disk" sounds perfect to me, and if there's a problem, others will deal with it. Even better would be "Illus. of a brown dwarf surrounded by a protoplanetary disk" but I don't know if that's gospel. Viriditas (talk) 23:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Got it, I've changed the caption. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 23:30, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Nrco0e and ජපස: Earwig doesn't like this: Mark J. Pecaut, a then-graduate student under the supervision of Eric E. Mamajek at the University of Rochester discovered... Can you paraphrase and reword? Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 01:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Seems like excessive detail to me. The names of discoverers are also a bit of a throwback. Unless there was much mention in the media or something about attributing the discovery, it devalues the team nature of how science is actually done. jps (talk) 10:48, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Good point. I will look during my second read through. Do you think the lead section is too dense for the general reader? I know the body is, but it's not too difficult to get through. My only issue is that some of it was kind of boring and I thought the prose could be a touch more exciting particularly in terms of summarizing each section in the first sentence, so the reader knows what's coming and is prepared for the details. I would like to close this soon so I'm going to try and expedite this review. Has everyone chosen the best hook? Viriditas (talk) 20:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @ජපස: Can you clarify what you mean by "devalues the team nature of how science is actually done"? I mention Pecaut and Mamajek in the article because that's what Kenworthy says in his website (ref 8). Other news sources from 2012 explicitly say Pecaut and Mamajek discovered the eclipse.[3][4] I mention the other collaborators of Pecaut and Mamajek in the sentences about the conference and journal paper because that's where they first appear in. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 17:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh, don't read too much into it. The game is to attribute to one or two people these sorts of discoveries, but we stand on the shoulders of giants. I don't object to you identifying these two as the discoverers. For our purposes, they are. It's just that discovery provenance is caught up in a lot of problematic narratives associated with science, "discovery", and the like. In any case, it's not that big of a deal. Just a thought that perhaps we don't necessarily need to mention who discovered it in a hook. jps (talk) 17:17, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah, alright. Thanks for clearing it up.Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 17:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @ජපස: I don't think I'd vote for any hook that mentions the discoverers, and none of the proposed hooks do, so that's kind of a moot point. I suggest we move discussions about the general ethics of science to somewhere else (this thread is getting long enough by itself). Renerpho (talk) 03:27, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Viriditas: Reworded the sentence. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 17:04, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lead: It was first detected by telescopes of the Super Wide Angle Search for Planets (SuperWASP) and All Sky Automated Survey (ASAS) projects in April–June 2007. Any reason to include the "April-June" part and just say 2007 instead? Works better for the reader, and there's no reason to know the months here, is there? Viriditas (talk) 02:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Astronomers Mark Pecaut and Eric Mamajek Do we really need a link to astronomers here? Viriditas (talk) 02:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would say "no". jps (talk) 10:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I changed it to "team of astronomers". @ජපස: I was just looking at various versions of this subject on other language projects. What I found interesting is how different sites treat the subject. For example, at es, the authors write "J1407b is probably a brown dwarf that is not gravitationally attracted by a star", whereas we take a more ambiguous POV. Just wondering what you think of this. Another thing I've noticed is that the other sites are also very easy to read and understand, whereas this article has somewhat unnecessarily complex and confusing language that talks around the subject rather than just directly stating the knowns and unknowns. Viriditas (talk) 21:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT1 seems fine to me. The Spanish article is simpler, at the expense of being wrong (working with an outdated mass estimate in the lede). I appreciate the English version for being thorough, and more careful with keeping apart the different hypothesis. Yes, that makes the article more complex, but I'll prefer that to an oversimplification any day. That said, I also agree that the lede can be made simpler and more concise without losing much. Renerpho (talk) 06:58, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed. I'm still standing with ALT1 as I have mentioned earlier. And yes, the other language Wikipedia articles on J1407b are outdated and have not been edited and updated as thoroughly as what I have done to the English article. I personally don't think using these other language Wikipedia articles is really a clear-cut way of qualifying the article. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 17:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @ජපස and Nrco0e: I've been reading our project pages on the same topic and they basically all share one thing in common that is different from this page. They generalize in the lead and present just the bare facts, and I think that's missing here. We have to assume that most of our readers are not astronomers and astrophysicists. For example, I still find this statement confusing based on the way it is written: "Mamajek's team initially hypothesized that J1407b is an exoplanet or brown dwarf orbiting the star, but that has since been disfavored by later studies". We don't even need to go into all of that. Just fix the lead so that first sentence states right away at the beginning that J1407b is either an an exoplanet or brown dwarf that is likely a free-floating object. Then, from there, once the reader understands what exactly it is they are reading, you can go into the nitty gritty. I have read this six times and I still think the lead is too detailed, particularly in the first paragraph. Give us a dumbed down first paragraph, and I think you should be fine slowly introducing the reader to more details. Viriditas (talk) 20:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about this for the lede section? 

J1407b is a substellar object, possibly a free-floating planet, with a massive ring system or circumplanetary disk. It was first detected in 2007 when its rings eclipsed the star V1400 Centauri, causing a series of dimming events for 56 days. J1407b's rings span a radius of about 90 million kilometers (56 million miles) and may eventually form moons over time. Although initially thought to be orbiting V1400 Centauri, later studies suggest J1407b is likely an unbound object passing in front of the star.

This is stripped down to what I think is the bare minimum. Everything else can (and is) handled in the article body. The Spanish Wikipedia article adds a mass estimate, but I think that's not essential (not to mention that it's a bit tricky, and the Spanish version gets it wrong). Renerpho (talk) 07:19, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and replaced the lede. Renerpho (talk) 07:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Review
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Still need to choose a hook. What is the preference of the nom (and others), based on ALT1, ALT2, and ALT3? I would like to see the readable prose in the lead tightened up a bit, but this is not a requirement for DYK, but I do find the lead section less than ideal for general readers per my comments up above. Viriditas (talk) 21:00, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Renerpho: Lede's fine for DYK, you'll want to expand it for GA. (WP:LEADLENGTH is as useless as a chocolate teapot but my personal rule of thumb is about one sentence per paragraph.) Not sure I like any of the hooks (WP:DYKDEFINITE doesn't like 'current'/'either'/'might'); I propose ALT4: ... that J1407b caused a series of significant dimming events between 7 April and 4 June 2007?--Launchballer 09:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nrco0e: Thought Renerpho was the nominator.--Launchballer 09:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nrco0e: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 14:26, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Extended the lede. Is it good now? Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 08:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was a good idea to mention the delayed discovery in the lede, especially since we might choose a hook that goes in that direction (ALT5). Renerpho (talk) 09:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Drive-by ALT5:
... that although J1407b eclipsed V1400 Centauri in 2007, nobody noticed for over three years?
RoySmith (talk) 16:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Brilliant hook! BorgQueen (talk) 16:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think ALT5 would be fine as a hook. I don't like ALT4. Renerpho (talk) 07:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with either ALT1 or ALT5. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 08:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Roy Applequist

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Created by Bsoyka (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 17 past nominations.

Bsoyka (t • c • g) 16:56, 28 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]


Articles created/expanded on July 29

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Auckland Central in the 2020 New Zealand general election

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  • Source: "The Green MP was still pinching herself today after claiming her party's second-ever electorate seat and the first without a major party endorsement." link
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Created by TheLoyalOrder (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

TheLoyalOrder (talk) 10:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@Ornithoptera: This is the second oldest fully unreviewed nom and I unexpectedly need a second QPQ (ironically for Gigi Perez, who went viral for a song about her late sister!). Do you still plan on reviewing this or should I take over, probably tomorrow?--Launchballer 14:34, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Launchballer, it seems like you needed a second QPQ so you're more than welcome to take over, my apologies for the delay. The loss in the family has affected a lot of my concentration more than I would have expected as of late. Cheers Ornithoptera (talk) 21:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TheLoyalOrder: I've tried to review this a few times, but I can't get past the fact that the Background section goes into way too much detail for a daughter article (to give one example out of several, content about the electorate should be at Auckland Central). Please cut this right down. When you've done that, I'll try again.--Launchballer 10:04, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TheLoyalOrder: Please address the above.--Launchballer 10:23, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok I removed some detail TheLoyalOrder (talk) 22:58, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did say 'one example out of several' and I don't fancy getting into a WP:FIXLOOP, so I've cut it down myself. This article is long enough and new enough. I think "the Greens hovering around the 5" should be reworded and I'd like to see a hook that doesn't describe a basic feature of politics, though I don't see a need for any other maintenance templates or a QPQ.--Launchballer 09:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I reworded the "Greens hovering around the 5" section. tbh I like the current hook, I disagree that its " a basic feature of politics" given it was a first. I guess an alternative could be:
ALT1 "... that Chlöe Swarbrick won the race for Auckland Central in 2020, during which she held a drag show as a campaign event?"
TheLoyalOrder (talk) 02:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fine by me.--Launchballer 09:59, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Codex Basiliensis A. N. IV. 1

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Improved to Good Article status by Stephen Walch (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Stephen Walch (talk) 20:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

that a manuscript of the New Testament called Codex Basiliensis A. N. IV. 1, was used as a page-template for the first published printed edition of the New Testament by its editor, Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus?
Or:
that Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus used Codex Basiliensis A. N. IV. 1 as a page template for his first published printed edition of the New Testament, marking it with red chalk?
Want to try and get a mention of the red-chalk marks in if possible :D Stephen Walch (talk) 14:57, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I still think the hook is rather specialist or too reliant on being familiar with Biblical studies. I'm not sure who else to ask for help with, so I'll see if I can ask for help over at WT:DYK regarding a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I cannot grasp the importance of the red chalk from either the hook or the article. From the article, red chalk was used to mark changes, by one or more people. What makes this so unusual that it is worth mentioning in the hook? Did texts not often get changes, or is there something unusual about the material? CMD (talk) 10:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@User:Chipmunkdavis - Ancient manuscripts aren't usually written on or marked up by anyone these days: the idea that someone would mark or deface an artefact fills most modern people with dread; that a written manuscript of the NT was, to quote Scrivener, "barbarously scored with red chalk" is quite telling of this even from the 19th century. The MS and how it was used is also very important in the history of printed books, as this was the manuscript used for the first ever published printed Greek NT. Evidently I need to think of a how to word the hook to get this across. :) Stephen Walch (talk) 14:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Stephen Walch: Heads up, "New Testament" is a WP:COMMONTERM, so you could probably get away with starting ALT0 at "a manuscript of the New Testament". I'd also lose everything after "template" for interest purposes and replace "it to be used as a page-" with "use as a" for concision. This should simplify the hook somewhat and give you some room to put a quote in there.--Launchballer 11:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer:: thanks very much for the suggested improvements. How about then:
Think that works as a decent hook? :) Stephen Walch (talk) 19:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's better, but I think it's recursive to include "New Testament" twice and that the hook would be more interesting if it left off what it was being used for.--Launchballer 20:48, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How about therefore:
Any better @Launchballer:? Stephen Walch (talk) 20:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd leave out "in the 15th century" as it's interesting with or without the date, but I'll let a promoter make that decision. This hasn't had an actual review yet, so I'll give it one now; this is long enough, new enough. QPQ unnecessary and Earwig has no complaints. I see no reason why this might deserve a dispute tag. Just a couple of things; single-sentence paragraphs are discouraged by MOS:PARA (which is part of MOS:LAYOUT and should have been assessed as part of the GA review!) and I think these should be knocked together, and external links should not be used in the body of the article per WP:EL and I think these should be removed.--Launchballer 10:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To answer the following, posted on my talk page:
"Hi @Launchballer: - thanks for your continued input on my DYK nomination; I've made some changes to the main article as per your recommendations, however I'm not understanding what "external links should not be used in the body of the article" is in reference to, as the only external links are either to the sources, or in the clearly marked external links section - unless this section is the problem? Happy to correct the article once I know what this is in reference to. :) Stephen Walch (talk) 21:16, 14 September 2024 (UTC)"[reply]
I am referring to the use of {{bibleref}}, which should not be used anywhere other than in References or its dedicated External links section.--Launchballer 21:33, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Had no idea bibleref was only for footnotes/external link sections. Thanks for the info! Stephen Walch (talk) 20:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fine by me. (I've taken the liberty of knocking together the short paragraphs myself.)--Launchballer 10:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 1

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Oxford zero emission zone

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  • Comment: Should be good as this article is just above 1500 characters. My third article.
Moved to mainspace by JuniperChill (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

JuniperChill (talk) 08:57, 2 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

You might want to do something about the unsourced content in this. (I don't plan on reviewing this any time soon as I review oldest first, but I might pop in and expand it once I've finished the stuff on my to-do list.)--Launchballer 12:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JuniperChill: Not a full review, but I have tagged the article with two "citation needed" tags. These need to be resolved before this nomination can be approved. Z1720 (talk) 03:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Z1720: I added two references to replace the {{cn}}. Should be good JuniperChill (talk) 09:38, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This needs a reviewer to look at all the criteria. Z1720 (talk) 11:56, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JuniperChill: Was about to review, however I see that the phrase "nine streets in Oxford" is in the lead but not in the body and sourced nowhere. This should be rectified.--Launchballer 18:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Done with the citations. However, the "nine streets" already appeared on both the lead and the body. diff JuniperChill (talk) 22:31, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, my mistake. (You can actually remove the ref from the lead if you like, since it isn't actually necessary.) I will review this in the morning.--Launchballer 22:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Long enough, new enough, QPQ unnecessary. Earwig's down, so will assess that when it's up, though I'm not seeing a need for any other dispute tags. The article's hook isn't directly relevant to the zero-emission zone and I think a new hook should be proposed.--Launchballer 10:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about Alt1: "that Oxford's zero emission zone has faced a hypocrisy claim and been known to some as the congestion charge as non-electric vehicles can enter on payment?" JuniperChill (talk) 11:53, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would question the WP:NPOVness of that hook, given that the source cites three people, two for and one against. I'm not even sure I'd have it in the article.--Launchballer 22:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a reference for it being the UK's first zero emission zone?--Launchballer 10:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would note that googling UK's first zero emission zone would bring up many sources that state that Oxford has introduced its first ZEZ. In fact, this source from the BBC is used in the article and states it within the first few paragraphs. Maybe that could be the potential hook about UK's first ZEZ. I have also removed a sentence from the article. JuniperChill (talk) 19:27, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That article cites Oxford City Council and Oxfordshire County Council, neither of whom are independent, and they describe a then-future event. Do you have a source that says it definitely was? Pedantic I know, but I'd rather not be dragged to WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS.--Launchballer 19:46, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have found some, including one from Fleetnews, New AutoMotive and Fleet Europe.— Preceding unsigned comment added by JuniperChill (talk • contribs)
Do you have one that doesn't talk in future tense, i.e. was published after it launched?--Launchballer 08:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here is one finally! Which was posted in feb 2024. It's the last paragraph btw. JuniperChill (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fine by me. Now let's see a hook so I can approve it.--Launchballer 10:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: "that Oxford is the first city in the United Kingdom to adopt a zero emission zone?" JuniperChill (talk) 20:22, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let's roll.--Launchballer 20:59, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 4

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Laurence Patrick Lee

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  • ... that New Zealand mathematician Laurence Patrick Lee worked his way to England to find a cure for his stammer and was speaking normally after just 18 minutes of instruction?
  • Source: "N.Z. Man Cured Of Stammering By British 'Expert' ", Greymouth Evening Star, 11 Dec 1950, [N.Z.P.A. SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT], "When Mr L. P. Lee [...] read in a Jersey newspaper that Mr William C. Kerr, M.A., of St Helier, had discovered a cure for stammering he decided to get a year's leave of absence from the Lands and Survey Department and to work his way to England. ¶ Lee had been stammering all his life and he felt that Mr Kerr could help him. He worked as engineer’s steward in the Trojan Star, arrived in England on November 13 and 18 minutes after seeing Mr Kerr on November 18 he was speaking normally. ¶ Recorded Proof ¶ Mr Kerr took a recording of Lee stammering the date and time before instructing him. He took a second recording 18 minutes later with Lee now stating the date and time without stammering.
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  • Comment: Alternate hooks could talk about his map projections (and could include map pictures, if a picture is needed), but this story seemed like a better human interest hook.
Created by Jacobolus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

–jacobolus (t) 00:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Length, history and reference verified. Earwig looks OK even though I couldn't use Google because it said we had sent too many queries to it.
However ... the end of one graf was uncited, and so I have tagged it. It should be easy to fix. Daniel Case (talk) 19:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added some examples of other high impact books/papers which have cited and discussed Lee's paper (the claim in the article was that it was influential). –jacobolus (t) 19:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Daniel Case, have the issues been addressed? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the delay. All but one of those sources are paywalled from where I am, but since the one that isn't describes the cited paper as "well-known", we'll take your word for it. Daniel Case (talk) 17:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I could go either way on this, but anyone else a little uncomfortable with sourcing a medical story claim to a 1950 newspaper? It's not a MEDRS claim, but it's not an uncontroversial one, either. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article says that he continued to work with the specialist for weeks, which seems to contradict the hook? Looking around online for sources about quickly curing a stammer, I found "There is no instant cure for stuttering., contrary to popular belief, there isn't a permanent fix to overcoming a stammer, and therapies and courses are not a cure or a 'quick fix' for stammering. Open to alternative hooks or being proven wrong, Rjjiii (talk) 15:33, 11 September 2024 (UTC) Forgot to ping jacobolus, Rjjiii (talk) 16:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you can think of a better phrasing for a hook (or we could come up with an alternate hook not having to do with the stammer). The claim from the news article is that Kerr recorded Lee saying the date and time when he first arrived, stammering, and then 18 minutes later took another recording of him saying the date and time, not stammering – i.e. just saying one simple sentence, not an ability to fluently speak without stammering. (The news article author presumably listened to this recording.) Then he stayed for another few weeks with Kerr to work on it, and by the time he left he considered himself cured with only a slight occasional stammer remaining. I don't think the claimed "cure" here was ever perfect, but Kerr really did have a stammering clinic in Jersey for decades, apparently with significant success, with people coming from all over the world to work with him. After 1955 Kerr's clinic was hosted in this funny boat-shaped building in Jersey called "Barge Aground", which can nowadays be rented by tourists. There are a couple of pictures of Kerr here, and some other patients. –jacobolus (t) 18:48, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here's the full news article:
N.Z. Man Cured Of Stammering By British “Expert”
[N.Z.P.A. SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT]
LONDON, December 10 (Rec. 9 a.m.).—When Mr L. P. Lee, of 195 The Terrace, Wellington, read in a Jersey newspaper that Mr William C. Kerr, M.A., of St Helier, had discovered a cure for stammering he decided to get a year’s leave of absence from the Lands and Survey Department and to work his way to England.
Lee had been stammering all his life and he felt that Mr Kerr could help him. He worked as engineer’s steward in the Trojan Star, arrived in England on November 13 and 18 minutes after seeing Mr Kerr on November 18 he was speaking normally.
Recorded Proof
Mr Kerr took a recording of Lee stammering the date and time before instructing him. He took a second recording 18 minutes later with Lee now stating the date and time without stammering.
Lee stayed with Mr Kerr for a fortnight and when he returned to London his brother Mr M. G. Lee, who is teaching at a college and who had been most sceptical was “astounded” at the change.
Mr L. P. Lee told the Press Association: “I am thoroughly happy about the cure. I know that whenever I want to I can speak normally and I could even make a public speech now.” Only a slight occasional stammer is noticeable -in his speech and he counted rapidly up to 20.
Discovery Made
Mr Kerr said: “When I was a student at Glasgow University 16 years ago I had. to write a thesis on philosophy. In doing so I came across a psychological discovery. From this I discovered the cause and then the cure of stammering.”
“Its taken me a long time and I’ve had to contend with a good deal of scepticism and' opposition. But I’ve had 90 per cent success with 50 cases. I’m not a doctor but I believe I have a mission and I am making this my life’s work. I charge a fee which I shall reduce as I get more patients,” stated Mr Kerr.
–jacobolus (t) 18:55, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 5

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Liberalism in the Philippines

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Converted from a redirect by TheNuggeteer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.

🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 04:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Long enough, new enough. QPQ done. Earwig highlights a couple of phrases, but I can't think of another way of wording them so calling WP:LIMITED. I think the {{improve categories}} template should be resolved. Could you talk me through the sourcing for the hook?--Launchballer 23:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed the improve categories tag, what do you need? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 03:50, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not seeing where in the article the hook is spelt out, unless I'm going blind.--Launchballer 09:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Philippine revolution and martial law, which both signify the ideology was used in revolutions. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 04:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
that's not "mostly". ltbdl☃ (talk) 05:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by that? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 08:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The hook reads as quite unspecific and vague, the meaning is not clear to a reader with no background. It would be better to have a more specific and concrete fact. CMD (talk) 08:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another hook: ALT1: ...that the first liberalist party in the Philippines ended from government suppression? SRC 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 08:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Better, but you'd need an end-of-sentence citation for that party being the first.--Launchballer 10:45, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by that? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that the Comite de Reformadores was the first liberalist party needs an end-of-sentence citation. See that link for what that means.--Launchballer 11:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sentence uses the same citation as the rest, but added just in case. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:31, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let's roll.--Launchballer 11:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 7

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Dani Sanchez-Lopez

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Created by Jeraxmoira (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 20:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@Jeraxmoira, the whole article confirms very closely with the prose-line anti-pattern. It would be nice to fix that issue before this hits the main page. (not particularly required for DYK) Sohom (talk) 03:38, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 10

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Human history

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References

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    • Christian 2015, pp. 316, 400, "Dispersal over an unprecedented swath of the globe...coincided with an Ice Age...by the end of the era of climatic fluctuation, humans occupied almost all the habitats their descendants occupy today"
    • Pollack 2010, p. 93
  3. ^ Scott & Vare 2020, pp. 54–56
Sources
Improved to Good Article status by Phlsph7 (talk) and Cerebellum (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.

Phlsph7 (talk) 11:52, 11 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Not a review, but two friendly comments. First, Agricultural revolution in ALT0 is a disambiguation page (I'm guessing it refers to the First agricultural revolution, which redirects to Neolithic Revolution). Second, if it's possible to make a hook about life expectancy and/or child mortality, that could be a very interesting hook indeed—I know I found John Green's video "Most People Have Never Been 20" interesting. TompaDompa (talk) 12:26, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for pointing this out, I fixed the link. A hook on changes to life expectancy could be interesting. I think the article only covers this in the sentence Advances in medical science led to a sharp increase in global life expectancy from about 31 years in 1900 to over 66 years in 2000.[552], which does not give us much to work with. Maybe:
    ALT3: ... that in modern human history, advances in medical science helped raise global life expectancy from about 31 years in 1900 to over 66 years in 2000.
    Phlsph7 (talk) 12:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not a big fan of ALT2, which is rather anachronistic: for most of human history, children did not live in societies in which "public education" was a meaningful concept. Given the wide scope of this article, I think a hook that encompasses a broad timescale would make the most sense. – Joe (talk) 11:24, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Many societies didn't really have public education so children didn't have access to it. Maybe you are concerned about something like the following: some readers may misconstrue the statement as implying that these societies did have public education but just not for most children. This is not what the hook says but it could happen. This problem could be solved by talking about formal education instead of public education but the claim in our article is about public education so this may not be acceptable according to the DYK rules. Phlsph7 (talk) 12:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What I mean is that 'public education' to be a meaningful concept there first needs to exist the idea of a formal education and a state that provides public services, neither of which existed for "most of human history". In other words I think the hook anachronistically implies that children were missing out on something that was not even conceptualisable until recently. Kind of like saying "for most of human history, satellites did not use reusable launch vehicles". Technically true, but not very meaningful. – Joe (talk) 09:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Can people miss out on something for which they lack the relevant concepts? For example, the ancient Egyptians didn't have the concept of antibiotics. Can we say that "the ancient Egyptians didn't have access to antibiotics"? To my ears, this sounds acceptable. But I'm also open to different ways of expressing the idea. Phlsph7 (talk) 10:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT3 is not very well sourced. It cites page 1 of The Twentieth Century: A World History, which doesn't cite any sources for these figures, and a textbook on marketing for the "due to advances in medical science" part, which also doesn't cite a source for this claim. Neither source make it clear what specific measure of life expectancy they're using, but it's probably life expectancy at birth, which was largely a function of infant mortality in premodern societies and therefore the change involved more factors than just medical science (also improvements in public health, contraception, reduction of child poverty and malnourishment, etc). – Joe (talk) 11:24, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT3 is not my favorite either but I think the sources fulfill our requirements even though they themselves do not cite other sources for these claims. The hook says "helped raise" to not imply that there were no other factors. Phlsph7 (talk) 12:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I wouldn't say they fulfil the basic requirement of being reliable sources, in this context, per WP:EXCEPTIONAL. But this is probably best continued on the article talk page. – Joe (talk) 09:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    adjusted hook per talk page discussion at Talk:Human_history#Increase_in_life_expectancy:
    Phlsph7 (talk) 07:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Holy daunting, Batman! The article is a new enough GA, with 60k bytes of prose. Earwig's wasn't working for me, so I've spotchecked a few references, and not seen any issues. Random selection of images revealed no copyright issues. Only thing I see are a few nitpicks (non-standard punctuation in refs, for example), which are not DYK problems. Preference is for ALT3a, though all of them seem acceptable.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:29, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Chris Woodrich and thanks for your review of this big nomination! Phlsph7 (talk) 08:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mariano R. Vázquez

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Improved to Good Article status by Grnrchst (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 38 past nominations.

Grnrchst (talk) 11:40, 11 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Article is long enough and promoted to GA one day before DYK nom. Article is presentable, well-sourced and copyvio free. Hooks are interesting and cited (one is inaccessible). QPQ done. Approving on good faith, thank you for your nomination Grnrchst! Kimikel (talk) 03:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A House in Jerusalem

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Created by Makeandtoss (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 43 past nominations.

Makeandtoss (talk) 11:35, 11 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for pointing out this guideline.
ALT1 ... that the director of the Netflix-released film A House in Jerusalem, Muayad Alayan, is a Palestinian whose family was expelled from what had become Israel during the Nakba in 1948? Makeandtoss (talk) 09:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not too fond of the hook as it seems to be more about the director than the movie itself, but will let a different editor decide. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:59, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that hook is fine. The first hook wasn't, per WP:DYKFICTION. The film features the Nakba and its significant that the director himself was a victim of the same event. I can do the rest of the review shortly.VR (Please ping on reply) 16:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: New, not a stub. The film's reception section does include both positive and negative reviews. Earwig gives "Violation unlikely 23.1%." There's no citation for the althook, but in the article it appears and is cited to this source. VR (Please ping on reply) 21:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: and @Makeandtoss: any further comments? VR (Please ping on reply) 21:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nope all good. Makeandtoss (talk) 21:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Came to promote this, but I agree with Narutolovehinata5's concern about Alt1's lack of focus; see WP:DYKINT, third paragraph. Another angle should be taken. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 11:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then one of these two alts should be good @Nineteen Ninety-Four guy: @Vice regent: @Narutolovehinata5::
ALT2 ... that the Netflix-released film A House in Jerusalem is inspired by the history of the director's Palestinian family, who were expelled from what had become Israel during the Nakba in 1948?
ALT3 ... that the Netflix-released film A House in Jerusalem touches on the 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight from what had become Israel during the Nakba in 1948? Makeandtoss (talk) 11:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of questions: 1) How do we know that the reviews/reactions to the film are NPOV? Have other editors in addition to the prinicpal author of the article done a survey of the reactions? 2) What were the circumstances of the family's flight? Were they "expelled" or did they "flee"? The article and this nomination do not agree. Either word needs to be clarified as to the circumstances of this family and this event. SPECIFICO talk 13:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Council Working Party

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Created by WatkynBassett (talk) on 5 August 2024. Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 25 past nominations.

WatkynBassett (talk) 07:47, 11 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Munfarid1 (talk) 11:54, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @WatkynBassett: Even if your hook is ok, I think a second one, shorter and more interesting, could be based on Melzer's claim that democratic control of their work is difficult to achieve. - How about formulating an ALT1, so the user who will perpare this for DYK will have a choice? After all, we want people to be hooked to read the article, so a critical view of the working groups could be appropriate. Munfarid1 (talk) 16:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • @Munfarid1: Thank you for taking the time to review the article and your suggestion! I am, however, a bit sceptical whether building a hook from this critical view is wise. I think we would have to attribute this view to a specific person (as I have recently experienced while a different hook of mine was prepared in a queue) and I find hooks with specific attribution a bit clunky to read). WatkynBassett (talk) 05:29, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Niall Ó Glacáin

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Niall Ó Glacáin
Niall Ó Glacáin
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Created by SkywalkerEccleston (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

SkywalkerEccleston (talk) 06:02, 11 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Article became a GA on 11 August. It is long enough, well-sourced with inline citations, neutral, and without copyvio problems. The hook is good and sourced in the Spain and France section. Image is freely licensed and used in the article. No QPQ needed. - JuneGloom07 Talk 03:40, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 12

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Tattarisuo case

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Investigation of the Tattarisuo's spring in 1931
Investigation of the Tattarisuo's spring in 1931
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Created by Juustila (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Juustila (talk) 08:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Nice work on a neglected topic. I don't speak Finnish but verified the source with DeepL Translator. Well done! BorgQueen (talk) 09:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 13

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Xiphophorus signum

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A male
A male
  • Source: "With the possible exception of X. signum, all species of Xiphophorus can be hybridized with each other in the laboratory." [7]
Created by Surtsicna (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 180 past nominations.

Surtsicna (talk) 21:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Nominated five days after creation and size is 1822 B. Figuring out if ref 4 supported the text and hook needed an extra minute of thought, but the article is overall in good shape. ミラP@Miraclepine 19:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Miraclepine. Wording the article text and the hook to match what the source says took me more than a minute, I must say. Surtsicna (talk) 21:04, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Syrian literature

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  • ... that illegal reprints of Syrian literature are a reason for the low number of books published?
Improved to Good Article status by Munfarid1 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.

Munfarid1 (talk) 16:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Comments: @Munfarid1: I'm reviewing this. But I think ALT1 should be avoided, as it's about a particular work, not the Syrian literature as a whole. BorgQueen (talk) 09:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments: ALT0 isn't accurate. In the source article, Samar Haddad says (translated into English): There's a trend towards making PDFs of books available as free downloads on websites. We publishers are directly affected because it's a lost opportunity to sell a book, but there's not much we can do about it. I once chatted with a young man who has a Facebook page, with a funny name in Arabic [Abu Abdo the Mule], that distributes free PDFs of books. (...) I know people who have stopped reading free copies after we've explained to them that they're harming us and the authors too. But such understanding people are rare. The thing that hurts the most about the subject is that people easily save money to buy stupid things, but not books. She says nothing about the low number of books getting published because of that. BorgQueen (talk) 19:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments: I've reworded ALT1. The Al Jazeera news article supports the war and torture part; while it mentions the threat of imprisonment the poets are facing, it doesn't explicitly say imprisonment is a source of inspiration. In addition, the source talks about contemporary Syrian poetry, which is only one aspect of the national literature, so I added "partly". BorgQueen (talk) 19:27, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments: I've struck ALT2 as there's nothing unusual about many women contributing to literature. Perhaps you could argue that Syria is an extremely male-dominated society and that makes it unusual and interesting, but our readers won't get that cultural context from the hook. BorgQueen (talk) 20:08, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments: I've reworded ALT3 as well. The rationale behind Mohja Kahf's declaration of Syrian literature not existing is rather complicated actually, involving several linguistic, historical and geopolitical factors. I don't think what is written in the 2013 news article can be used to prove that Mohja Kahf completely revoked the previous statement. BorgQueen (talk) 20:26, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Approve ALT1 and ALT3 only. BorgQueen (talk) 22:42, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Madhavi (princess)

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  • ... that in Hindu mythology, Madhavi, who was blessed with the miraculous ability to regain her virginity after each childbirth, was married to three kings, each in exchange for 200 rare horses?
Created by Seyamar (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Seyamar(245CMR)💬📜 10:18, 21 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Article is new enough (3 days old) and long enough (over 26 kilobytes of prose text). Hook is interesting, cited and appears in the article. Picture criteria do not apply as the nomination has no picture. However I am not sure about the copyvio status as Earwig's Copyvio Detector scored 49.0% for the URL sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05120.htm. QPQ not needed as the nominator has less than 5 past nominations. JIP | Talk 13:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JIP: a verse has been quoted from the ancient text Mahabharata (translation is not under any copyright, was published more than 100 years ago).Seyamar(245CMR)💬📜 15:18, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In that case there should be no problem. Earwig's Copyvio Detector is an automatic tool and could not have known this. JIP | Talk 16:54, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Result changed from "DYK?" to "DYKyes" as ancient texts do not fall under copyright. JIP | Talk 17:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Europapa

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  • ... that the song "Europapa" was the first in the history of the Eurovision Song Contest to be disqualified after the contest started?
Improved to Good Article status by Nascar9919 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Sekundenlang (talk) 07:58, 19 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Hi User:Sekundenlang, well done on getting this article to WP:GA status. It all looks good to me. I prefer your first hook, which will be intriguing to readers. I couldn’t see exactly where in the BBC link you provided where exactly it confirms the statement. It is possible that the article has changed since you posted it? Perhaps you could bring an excerpt quotation. Thank you. Onceinawhile (talk) 17:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC) Found a Guardian link:[reply]

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/article/2024/may/14/eurovision-organisers-defend-decision-to-disqualify-joost-klein "It was the first time in Eurovision’s 68-year history that a contestant has been disqualified after the start of the five-day event."


Also, the alternate hook was a reference to the last name-color name connection (Klein).

- Sekundenlang (talk) 18:04, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, thank you Sekundenlang. I have marked it as good to go.
PS - thanks for pointing out the Klein-Klein point - I hadn’t realized, too subtle for me. I think the first hook works very well. Onceinawhile (talk) 19:52, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sekundenlang I can't find where this hook is cited in the article, can you help? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AirshipJungleman29 Added it. Used the link I posted here from The Guardian as source. - Sekundenlang (talk) 15:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Egyptian Labour Corps mutinies

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  • Source: Deaths were in two of the mutinies on 6 and 11 September: "the Egyptians tried to get out of their camp and were fired on by the garrison battalion, who killed twenty-three ... "reinforcements were called in. Again there was shooting, in which five were killed" from p255 of James, Lawrence (1987). Mutiny in the British and Commonwealth Forces, 1797-1956. London: Buchan & Enright. pp. 252–257. ISBN 0-907675-70-0. I have gone with 27 as >Grint, Keith (2021). Mutiny and Leadership. Oxford University Press. pp. 280–281. ISBN 978-0-19-289334-5. gives four killed on 11 September and the CWGC lists seven who died on that day.
Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk).

If it can run on 6 September:

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 869 past nominations.

Dumelow (talk) 20:44, 14 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Reviewing
  • Article is long enough and new enough
  • Article is well written, neutral and supported by inline citations.
  • Both hooks are short enough, correctly formatted and supported by inline citations.
  • No copyvio detected on Earwig
  • QPQ done
  • I think the original hook is slightly ambiguous. It could be interpreted as meaning that at least 27 men were killed on each of the 2 occasions. If 'twice' was removed this would remove ambiguity and still be accurate.

So suggest ALT2 "... that in 1917 British soldiers in France opened fire on mutineers from the Egyptian Labour Corps, killing at least 27 of them?"

ALT1 approved for 6 September

  • Altogether a very detailed, informative and interesting article

Papamac (talk) 17:54, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Papamac, thanks for your review. I am happy with your suggested ALT - Dumelow (talk) 10:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Papamac (talk) 11:04, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Charlotte Eyton

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  • ... that English amateur geologist Charlotte Eyton wrote a number of papers and pamphlets on the geology of the Wrekin, a part of Shropshire, between 1862 and 1870?
  • Source: Charlotte Eyton, the daughter of Thomas Campbell Eyton, a well-known Shropshire naturalist, published six notes and papers (mainly concerning investigations of glacial formations) in the Geological Magazine between 1866 and 1870; she also wrote a monograph, Notes on the Geology of North Shropshire (1869). reference - Creese and Creese, 1994, p 10 https://www.jstor.org/stable/4027579?seq=10
Created by Chaiten1 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

Chaiten1 (talk) 10:34, 18 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Thank you - fair point, but actually it was rare for women (and for amateurs) to publish papers in scientific journals, so this is the reason that it is interesting, or at least notable. Chaiten1 (talk) 07:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't seem immediately obvious to the lay reader. And is that mentioned in the article/sources? Otherwise there may be a hint of OR in there. Cheers, KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 10:45, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This wider context is in the cited reference (Creese and Creese,https://www.jstor.org/stable/4027579) which describes the British women who contributed to geological research in the 19th century, and highlights the contributions of independent/amateur women to the field in the mid-1800s. Chaiten1 (talk) 11:14, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New and long enough, well-referenced, hook is interesting enough, QPQ done. AGF for the offline sources. KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 05:00, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jyocho

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  • ... that the music of math rock band Jyocho has been alternatively described as akin to "madness" or "contemplative and melancholy"?
Created by TechnoSquirrel69 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

—TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: LGTM! Sohom (talk) 09:09, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Benoit Blin

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  • ... that during his service with the French Navy, pastry chef and television judge Benoit Blin cut off the tips of his fingers in a kitchen accident?
  • Source: " For me, when I was a young lad I made a silly mistake during my military service. I used a butcher knife to slice a tomato when I was doing staff food. It was extremely sharp and chopped the end of my fingers off with the tomato." from "The man behind the chef: Benoit Blin - The Staff Canteen Live". www.thestaffcanteen.com. Retrieved 14 August 2024.
Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 870 past nominations.

Dumelow (talk) 14:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Thanks for the heads-up Launchballer, luckily everything was covered by the BBC source so I've switched it over to that - Dumelow (talk) 21:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You should consider installing WP:UPSD. Full review needed.--Launchballer 21:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, that is a very handy gadget that should be more widely known, thanks - Dumelow (talk) 07:47, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eliza Legzdina

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Mauriks - Moody feat. Eliza Legzdina
Eliza Legzdina on The Coco Novak Show
Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 246 past nominations.

Launchballer 11:17, 15 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Will be claiming this for review, but so far it looks good. The article was initially created in 2022 but was moved to userspace to be worked on as a draft; the article was moved back to mainspace on August 15, the day of the nomination, so for DYK purposes it should count as a new article. Earwig is down at the moment so I cannot check for close paraphrasing. A QPQ has been done. I have yet to check all statements in the article, but as for the hooks, my preference is the original one. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Do you intend on returning to this?--Launchballer 08:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was, I had just gotten busy with real-life matters over the last few days to be able to check all of the statements. For what it's worth, I didn't find any close paraphrasing, with the only Earwig hit being the quote that's already in the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This should be good to go as I was able to verify the information in the YouTube video. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jehovah's Witnesses in Singapore

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Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 170 past nominations.

KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 05:00, 19 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • The article is new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. Earwig is giving me the "Too Many Requests" error right now so I am unable to check for close paraphrasing. A QPQ has been done. Almost all the sources are offline so I will assume good faith for the sourcing. The main issue right now is the hook: it's only mentioned in the lede without a citation. The rest of the article does not appear to directly support the "routinely imprisoned" statement, only that Witnesses have been regularly arrested and some have been jailed. My suggestion would be a rephrasing of the hook to make it closer to the article text. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Just one last minor issue before I approve this: the phrase "although they do not receive permanent criminal records." is very close to the BBC source, so if it's possible to rephrase it, that would be appreciated. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can't think of a suitable rephrase at the moment (is it right to infer that they are given "temporary" records instead? I don't think so.) It's a basic fact KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 10:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Killing of Nyah Mway

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Moved to mainspace by Apocheir (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

Apocheir (talk) 00:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  •  Doing... Beginning review now and I hope to complete it within 24 hours. Zingarese talk · contribs (please Reply to icon mention me on reply; thanks!) 02:56, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hello–I am very sorry for the delay. Article is new and long enough, well-sourced, copyvio free, QPQ done. I also think the article is fairly neutral and accurately presents the objective facts and timeline of events. I had to add two {{failed verification}} tags because I did not see those claims in any of the cited sources. If I overlooked something despite my best efforts, please let me know. Vis-a-vis the hooks: since ALT3 failed verification, we cannot use it until that is addressed. ALT1 is my preference, as it demonstrates the impact this had on the community. ALT2 I like too, more emotionally centered, but I wonder to others if it would be less interesting than the community response. Zingarese talk · contribs (please Reply to icon mention me on reply; thanks!) 15:03, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Zingarese: It took me nearly five days to get back to this, so no need to apologize. The issues in the article have been fixed. I had referred to the wrong NYT article on the source for ALT3 in the article, but the source for ALT3 I gave in this nomination was correct. Thanks for your thoroughness. Apocheir (talk) 00:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • Thank you for clarifying that about ALT3 (and sorry I overlooked that), and for fixing the verification issues in the article. I've checked the article again and deem it good to go. My preference would now be ALT3. Thank you for your fantastic work. Zingarese talk · contribs (please Reply to icon mention me on reply; thanks!) 01:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1988–89 Barcelona Atlétic femenino season

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Created by Kingsif (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 130 past nominations.

Kingsif (talk) 23:16, 15 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good. AGF on the source which I can't read. Maybe the word 'football' could be added like follows? ... that in 1989, the Barcelona football women's second team was knocked out of the Catalan Cup in the same round as the Barcelona women's first team? Do you think that works? If not, I think the initial hook could probably work as well. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:04, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Joe Wirkkunen

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  • Reviewed: Grace Panvini and Robert Aiello
  • Comment: I volunteer two QPQ credits for one nomination, to help reduce the backlog of nominations without reviews.
Created by Flibirigit (talk) and WheatenOdin51 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 155 past nominations.

Flibirigit (talk) 17:26, 23 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I have some concern about the roundabout way the citation verifies the hook. Presently, I think there are two logical leaps being made from "sought suggestions from the local hockey community, and Joe's name was recommended" → "receiving a recommendation from Canada?" and then "Finland was searching for a Finnish speaking instructor with knowledge of the Canadian ice hockey system." → "coached the Finland men's national ice hockey team" connected by the "after receiving" makes it sound like the coaching position was directly a result from the recommendation from Canada. Bobby Cohn (talk) 17:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm okay with Canada being a stand-in for "local community" (we're small, I get it; and it is limited at DYK) but the implied timeline seems like a bit of a stretch, but could be easily remedied. Suggested alternative: ALT1: "... that Joe Wirkkunen, after receiving a recommendation from Canada, would go on to coach the Finland men's national ice hockey team?" just to clarify. Bobby Cohn (talk) 17:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another opinion is needed for ALT1 since neither I nor the original reviewer are eligible to approve it. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 00:56, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bobby Cohn and Flibirigit: Neither the article nor the source say where he was recommended from. It just says "to former Canadian Amateur Hockey Association president Frank Sargent".--Launchballer 09:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The source states "from the local hockey community", which is Port Arthur, where both Wirkkunen and Sargent resided and were involved in hockey. I have added that specific phrase to the article. Flibirigit (talk) 00:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Port Arthur and Canada are not the same thing.--Launchballer 21:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You'll note I did catch this on my first pass. An explanation as to why this botherered me less when I came to review this is that if something (i.e.: a person, a recommendation) comes from Port Author, it also inherently comes from Canada. Bobby Cohn (talk) 21:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Let's roll.--Launchballer 21:43, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Bertrand-Hudon

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Created by WikiOriginal-9 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 238 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:15, 22 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good to me. Hook is interesting, cited, and the article is well-written. Comes in just barely at 1592 characters and nominated 6 days after creation. QPQ done. C F A 💬 02:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shoko Ikeda

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Moved to mainspace by Miraclepine (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 50 past nominations.

ミラP@Miraclepine 03:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Mostly good. AGF on the hook sources (one offline, other is restricted by paywall). The only issue I see is that the sentence for ALT0 sounds a little confusing: Director Yutaka Yamamoto later recalled that "Haruhi [Suzumiya] was perfectly equal to [Ikeda]," who also admitted said that she herself thought Haruhi was "just like me". Could that be re-worded (the 'admitted said' part)? Looks good otherwise. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:54, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11:  Done I've also fixed the ALT0 and moved the original to be ALT0.5. ミラP@Miraclepine 02:55, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:34, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aphrodite Rhithymnia

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Statue of Aphrodite from Lappa
Statue of Aphrodite from Lappa
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Created by Deiadameian (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Deiadameian (talk) 22:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

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Liebigs Annalen

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Improved to Good Article status by Reconrabbit (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Reconrabbit 15:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Article new enough (promoted to GA August 17); long enough (7600 B); sourced; GA status, so no copyvio or other issues. ALT0 verified in source and cited inline. ALT1 verified in sources, but article does not mention the span of 163 years (even if that is a simple calculation). I think ALT1 would have to be tweaked to say the years of 1832 and 1995. Approving both hooks, with the aforementioned caveat. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 16:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Post-tuberculosis lung disease

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Fungus growing in a post-TB lung cavity
Fungus growing in a post-TB lung cavity
Healed tuberculous cavity
Healed tuberculous cavity
Created by Buidhe (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 249 past nominations.

(t · c) buidhe 06:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@OlifanofmrTennant: Is this ready to roll? If not, what else needs to be done?--Launchballer 21:34, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: I honestly thought I approved this. Yeah its good to go Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 21:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Adding icon to that effect. (I have not assessed the hook/article myself.)--Launchballer 21:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quinto Inuma Alvarado

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  • ... that the Quechua chief Quinto Inuma Alvarado was assassinated while returning home from a meeting of environmental leaders?
  • Source: [8] [My translation] On the evening of Wednesday 29 November, a group of hooded people assassinated Quinto Inuma Alvarado [...] Quinto Inuma was returning from a meeting of environmental defenders held in Pucallpa, Ucayali, between November 23 and 26.
  • ALT1: ... that the week Quinto Inuma Alvarado was assassinated, he said at a conference, "If I must die, I will die"? Source: [9] [My translation] "[...] If I must die, I will die" was one of the last statements the apu made, during his participation at a meeting of leaders held in Pucallpa, from 23 to 27 November.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Joseva Talacolo
Created by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 23:00, 17 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Article is new enough, long enough, and sourced. Hooks are interesting and short enough. Hooks are mostly supported but I am not finding an in-line citation for his status as a "Quechua chief". Hopefully, this can be added. QPQ satisfied. Cbl62 (talk) 12:07, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
alt0 still uses the "chief" phrasing so I can't approve that one, but alt1 is ok. Cbl62 (talk) 01:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anders Årfelt

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Lion sculpture
Lion sculpture
  • Source: "Konstnären Anders Årfelts betonglejon kan ha räddat livet på människor under terrorattacken på Drottninggatan i Stockholm förra året. Nu vill Stockholms stad sätta upp fler och större lejon ... De nya lejonen väger tre ton, jämfört med de vanliga som väger 900 kilo." which Google translates as "Artist Anders Årfelt's concrete lion may have saved the lives of people during the terrorist attack on Drottninggatan in Stockholm last year. Now the city of Stockholm wants to put up more and bigger lions ... The new lions weigh three tons, compared to the usual ones that weigh 900 kilograms." from: "Nya större lejon ska göra Stockholms gator säkrare". SVT Nyheter (in Swedish). 27 February 2018. Retrieved 16 August 2024.
Tributes on a lion sculpture
Tributes on a lion sculpture
Created by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 872 past nominations.

Dumelow (talk) 08:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Both hooks are good, but my preference is Alt1 because: (1) hook is shorter and quicker to grasp; (2) the accompanying image for that one is more colourful and eye-catching. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 04:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emotional Consequences of Broadcast Television

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  • ... that ending of the TV series Community features a fourth-wall breaking monologue?
Improved to Good Article status by OlifanofmrTennant (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 16 past nominations.

Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 16:11, 20 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • The article was promoted for GA on August 18, so it's eligible. Everything is sourced, images look fine too. I prefer the first hook, the second one is also not bad, but the third one is too obscure for me.
  • The hook now says features a fourth-wall breaking monologue, but in the article it is delivers a fourth wall–breaking monologue. Should it instead be "a fourth-wall-breaking monologue"? I also can't find it in the source provided, can you please point me to the right section of it? Artem.G (talk) 14:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Agnes Crane

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  • ... that Agnes Crane (1852–1932) was an English amateur paleontologist who nonetheless described a new species of brachiopod and presented her work at the 1893 World's Congress in Chicago?
World's congress - 'Read at Chicago, August 24, 1893, before the Women's Auxiliary Branch of the World's Congress', footnote to Geol Mag 2, p 64, 1893 - https://dx.doi.org/10.1017/S0016756800005811
Created by Chaiten1 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.

Chaiten1 (talk) 19:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

There is probably nothing I like seeing more on DYK than women scientists. Thanks for this one, Chaiten1. The article is new and long enough. It covers the subject's life and career perfectly well. The sources are of very high quality and even quite accessible too. There are two issues, however. Firstly, "Crane lived in Brighton for the rest of her life" and "a role later taken on by Crane's father" require citations. Secondly, the wording of the hook can be improved. I would propose something like:
  • ALT1: that despite having no university training, Agnes Crane described a new species of brachiopod in 1886?
Let me know what you think. Surtsicna (talk) 20:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the encouragement! I have added citations to the statements in the page: one is Crane's births/marriages/death entry from FreeBMD, as other sources (like probate) are behind paywalls; the other is from Edward Crane's obituary. I do like your suggestion for rewording in ALT1 - I have just inserted 'of brachiopod' - thank you!Chaiten1 (talk) 09:06, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Surtsicna - just wondering if you had a moment to return to this DYK proposal? Thank you Chaiten1 (talk) 19:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, thanks for pinging me, Chaiten1. I must have missed your response on my watchlist. All is good on my end, but another editor should review ALT1. Thank you! Surtsicna (talk) 19:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Beata Olsson

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Created by Hameltion (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 60 past nominations.

Hameltion (talk | contribs) 04:44, 19 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Not a review, more of a comment: the current hook is very US-centric. The rivalry will probably be understood by US readers, but those outside the US may not be as familiar with the Gators-Seminoles rivalry. My suggestion would be to add some more context to the hook, like saying Olsson helped the Seminoles in their soccer championships. As written, the hook doesn't even make it clear that she's a soccer player! Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:20, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hmm, I wouldn't describe that as US-centric, just local. But not being familiar with the rivalry is kind of central to the hook. Could add that she won championships but I think that would be wordy/distract. Added sport. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 13:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I meant that readers would need to know that Florida and Florida State have a rivalry to get the hook. It's a different thing from Olsson being unaware of it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think most readers can infer that two schools within the same state are probably rivals. For the hook, I'd add Olsson's nationality to make it a bit clearer about why she wouldn't know about the rivalry. SounderBruce 03:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added Swedish to the hook for additional context. I think the additional context about her being a football player and being from Sweden satisfies my original concerns. Full review still needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Might as well do a review as no one else has picked it up. The article is new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. Her date of birth is mentioned in the article but lacks a reference, so that will need to be addressed. The lede also has a minor grammatical error ("Sweden at youth international level" instead of "Sweden at the youth international level"). I did not find any close paraphrasing, and a QPQ has been provided. The changes to the hook have addressed my concerns and I feel it now sufficiently meets WP:DYKINT as I think the hook fact works with the additional context, even if readers are not aware of the rivalry. Although I added "Swedish" to the hook, it does not fundamentally change the hook fact and it's already verified in the article, so I'll give it an IAR approval rather than ask a new reviewer to approve it, once the issues raise above have been addressed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:38, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Counterintelligence Group

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  • ALT1: ... that the Counterintelligence Group was reactivated on January 18, 2024, due to coup rumors that were reported in 2023?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Invincible Dragon
  • Comment: There's a blurb there where there's a mention of the CIG being reestablished in 2005. However, I can only go on to say that Gen. Brawner Jr. mentioned in public that the unit will be fully reestablished on December 21, 2023. This one's widely reported in Philippine media.

Open to alternate hooks.

Created by Ominae (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.

Ominae (talk) 12:54, 18 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Approved the first hook. Article length and age are good, copyvio and plagiarism free, source seems to be reliable. Hook is interesting, I personally find it interesting of the usage of "scalawags" in official communiques. QPQ done. I think orphan tags are allowed to exist for it to be presentable but it would be nice to get some links to the article if you have time, but it isn't an issue for the nom. Looks good to me :) PersusjCP (talk) 19:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ultimate X-Men (2024)

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Moved to mainspace by Cambalachero (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 123 past nominations.

Cambalachero (talk) 13:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Hi Cambalachero! Overall, I think the article is well-written. Earwig showed no copyright violations, and the article was moved to mainspace on 16 August, so it is new enough. However, I have some concerns about the plot section. Although there are no specific standard for its length and the current plot summary is sourced, I think it is a bit too lengthy, as it is longer than the lead, editorial history, and reception sections combined. Trimming it down to around 400 to 700 words would be more suitable for the article, so it does not overly focus on in-universe content. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 13:01, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

East Suffolk Park, Edinburgh

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Created by Iainmacintyre (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 52 past nominations.

Papamac (talk) 16:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Hi Llewee Yes, I regard it as a usually reliable source. For this article they cite contemporary accounts from two local newspapers and include an image from the National Archives. The evidence is supported by contemporary photographs. Papamac (talk) 19:40, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • New enough, long enough. Article is in a decent condition. I would suggest changing "local citizens" to " local people" as the former could indicate British citizens which presumably they weren't. The quote is interested and the reliability has been discussed. QPQ done. Llewee (talk) 22:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cooper Mays

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Created by TarheelBornBred (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

TarheelBornBred (talk) 16:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Looks good. Nice work. It might be better with some modifications, such as clarifying that he's a football player, (e.g. ALT1 ... that in college, football player Cooper Mays was a member of the same offensive line as his brother?) but I think either way it should work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:19, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Hunte, Sydney (November 26, 2020). "Tennessee's Cade, Cooper Mays discuss bond as brothers, teammates on Volunteers football team". Saturday Down South. Retrieved August 19, 2024.

Umehara ga kimeta

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Daigo Umehara
Daigo Umehara
  • ALT1: ... that the fighting game commentator's cry "Umehara ga kimeta" has been described as the No. 1 play-by-play commentary in E Sports history? Source: https://gamer2.jp/post/ogawara0005/
  • ALT2: ... that the fighting game commentator's cry "Umehara ga kimeta" is regarded alongside the best Olympic commentaries? Source: https://gamer2.jp/post/ogawara0005/
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: I am not a native English speaker, so if there are any unnatural expressions in the text or hooks, I will appreciate it if you could improve them. this is my first recommendation to DYK, so please advise me if there are any mistakes.
Created by 狄の用務員 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

狄の用務員 (talk) 08:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • I would propose ALT3.
ALT3: ... that the fighting game commentator's cry "Umehara ga kimeta" was regarded alongside the best Olympic commentaries? Source: https://gamer2.jp/post/ogawara0005/
I personally think the source is a normal article, consistent with reliable sources, of a normal tone, of a normal media outlet.狄の用務員 (talk) 13:37, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dezső Varga

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  • Reviewed: Rex v Bourne and John Neilson
  • Comment: I volunteer two QPQ credits for one nomination, to help reduce the backlog of nominations without reviews.
5x expanded by Flibirigit (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 154 past nominations.

Flibirigit (talk) 14:53, 18 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • The article is newly expanded, and of high quality. There are no copyvio issues in the English language. The hook is short, to the point and interesting, and is cited in a reliable source (in Hungarian, but confirmed by online translation). I don't see any need to change anything. The author has recently completed two QPQ reviews. Nice job! Chaiten1 (talk) 16:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Janet Panetta

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  • ... that Janet Panetta, who started dancing as physical therapy for childhood polio, would go on to teach dance all over Europe, becoming a "launchpad" for many dancers including Jérôme Bel?
  • Source: "Janet Panetta, who overcame childhood polio to become a dancer with American Ballet Theater, a performer in New York’s thriving downtown modern dance scene and a revered ballet teacher, died on Saturday in Brooklyn. She was 74."

"The French choreographer Jérôme Bel, also interviewed by The Times in 2010, said of Ms. Panetta, “If a dancer would be a rocket, she would be a launchpad.” He was her student at the National Center of Contemporary Dance in France, where she was the founding ballet teacher in the early 1980s. “Not telling you where to go, just giving you confidence in the universe,” he said."

NY Times
Created by Thriley (talk) and DaffodilOcean (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 140 past nominations.

Thriley (talk) 16:07, 27 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • I'd actually focus on the childhood polio aspect rather than the launchpad aspect given that's a much more surprising fact and already works by itself. The current hook seems too complicated as is compared to the shorter option. Thus:
ALT1 ... that Janet Panetta started dancing as physical therapy for childhood polio?
@Thriley and DaffodilOcean: Thoughts on the simplified hook? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Reviewing... Flibirigit (talk) 20:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC) General eligibility:[reply]

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: The article was moved to the mainspace on August 18, and nominated on August 27. Therefore it was 9 days old when nominated, which is outside of the required timeline of 7 days. Was there any previous discussion of allowing a longer timeline? Otherwise, length and sourcing are adequate. The article is neutral in tone. Plagiarism issues were cleaned up in the draft stage, but there still appears to be close paraphrasing here. ALT0 is a long and clunky hook that depends on the reader knowing Jérôme Bel. ALT1 is a better hook, shorter and interesting. It is cited and mentioned in the article, and verified by the source. There are no images used in the article, and the QPQ requirement is complete. Flibirigit (talk) 21:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Flibirigit: "The seven-day limit can be extended for a day or two upon request" per WP:DYKNEW.--Launchballer 01:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I know this was a later nomination. In my opinion it was nominated within an acceptable window. I am happy to make a formal request if necessary. This nom was done largely out of my gratitude for DaffodilOcean's work in cleaning up the draft. Thriley (talk) 02:15, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Flibirigit: I have cleaned up the close paraphrasing. The rest of the flagged items appear to be quotes and proper names. Thriley (talk) 02:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Placing nomination on hold until feedback is received at WT:DYK on whether to allow the nine-day timeframe. Pinging me is not necessary. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 11:36, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Approving ALT1. Three days has past since I posted on WT:DYK regarding the nine-day window. So far, only one comment was left in support of the time frame. Considering that nobody voiced opposition, I will consider nine days to be new enough for this nomination. The close paraphrasing issues have been resolved. I have struck ALT0 as per my concerns listed above. The article ahderes to all other DYK criteria as per my review. Flibirigit (talk) 18:14, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Crimson Diamond

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  • ... that the sole developer of the The Crimson Diamond first created a series of pixel art rooms and later decided to build a game around the house she had designed?
  • Source: "She started using [her free time] to learn pixel art, recreating the look of the text parser games she enjoyed as a kid like The Colonel’s Bequest. “I made a room, and then I made another room, and then I realized I need to make a little sprite character because I wanted to have the furniture in scale,” Minamata said. “So I made a character and I wanted to have her walk around, and suddenly it’s becoming a game.” [10]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did_you_know_nominations/G Affairs
  • Comment: There's more hooks here that could be a possibility – maybe that the sole developer of the Crimson Diamond used to freelance as an artist for The New Yorker? But I think the idea of creating a pixel house and then going "oh, let's have a game" is more interesting to me.
Created by Nomader (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 49 past nominations.

Nomader (talk) 18:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Would you consider a slight tweak to the hook like:

  • ALT1:... that the developer of the The Crimson Diamond first created a series of pixel art rooms and later built a game around the house she had designed?

I realize it's almost the same. I think "lone" is not entirely necessary, and the emphasis could imply that no other people worked on the game at all. Also, it seems more direct and factual to say that she built the game than decided to build the game. If you're not interested in the ALT, feel free to strike. And unrelated, but I get so much nostalgia from the game's aesthetic. Rjjiii (talk) 23:18, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Rjjiii: I was oddly struggling with the wording here, and I actually think this fixes my issues! I prefer this ALT for sure –  I'd be fine with it being used. Loved the story of how she developed this game, so I'm so happy that I was able to find enough sources to put this together! Nomader (talk) 14:25, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Let me take a good review of this... The page is new enough (created 22 August), long enough (~4200 characters), no copyvio, QPQ done, interesting, cited, well sourced, all good. As a side note, I thought this game was from the 80s but I cant believe it was actually released this year. It's so great that only one person developed this, just like Stardew Valley. JuniperChill (talk) 14:07, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Muhammad Khaznadar

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Muhammad Khaznadar, with his father
Muhammad Khaznadar, with his father
Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 78 past nominations.

Onceinawhile (talk) 17:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Yes
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: AGF on foreign language source. A little unclear on whether image is properly licensed. Do we know anything about date of publication? Ergo Sum 04:42, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @Ergo Sum: Regarding the image, it is used in the Moumni 2020 Brill-Muqarnas article in the bibliography. They say "Fig. 3. Anonymous, Mustafa Khaznadar and His Son Muham-mad, circa 1855. Oil on canvas, 82 × 131 cm. Tunis Institut National du Patrimoine, collection Qsar es-Saïd, inv. no. 46-07-28-83." If the unknown artist was 30 when painting it, that would mean they were born 200 years ago, and thus are statistically likely to have died more than 100 years ago. Tunisia copyright law expires after 50 years from the death of the creator if known, or 50 years from publication if anonymous. Onceinawhile (talk) 11:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Onceinawhile: Makes sense. I would recommend adding that information to the description of that image on the Commons, so that it can be used freely elsewhere. Ergo Sum 13:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I have  Done this as suggested. Onceinawhile (talk) 17:22, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 20

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Second Adrian Hasler cabinet

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Created by TheBritinator (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

TheBritinator (talk) 23:30, 23 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • New enough and long enough. QPQ present. AGF on German-language sourcing. Reasonably exciting hook for the subject. Suggestions for promoter: add "of Liechtenstein" after "cabinet" in the hook to provide a geographic clue to readers. Also skeptical if "second" needs to be capitalized in running text. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Make any minor changes as nessesary. TheBritinator (talk) 08:25, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Piano Sonata (Barber)

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5x expanded by Zingarese (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

Zingarese talk · contribs (please Reply to icon mention me on reply; thanks!) 02:40, 20 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Alt2 is the best out of the three. Alt0 could be interesting, but too vague - "this period" needs clarification, might be helpful if the year that the NYT made the comment was added. Alt1 I don't find interesting at all and would not recommend. All three hooks are properly sourced. Please ping me once the QPQ is complete so that I may approve the nomination.QPQ complete. Prefer alt3 to alt2 but both can be used.

Earwig doesn't flag any copyvio. The article is of good quality and in my opinion could pass a Good Article nomination if the nominator is interested in that. Jaguarnik (talk) 21:46, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jaguarnik:, hello and thank you for the review. I also agree that Alt2 is probably going to be the most interesting to a broad audience. Maybe I could revise it a bit:
  • ALT3: ... that Samuel Barber, himself an accomplished, conservatory-trained pianist, said he could not adequately play his own Piano Sonata? Source: Sherman, Robert; Barber, Samuel (2010) [1978]. "Samuel Barber Interviewed by Robert Sherman (1978)". Samuel Barber Remembered: A Centenary Tribute. Boydell & Brewer. ISBN 978-1-58046-350-8. JSTOR 10.7722/j.ctt7zsv91.11., "I played [the sonata] for [Horowitz] at his house and I fell on the floor at the end of the third movement—that was really just a joke, but they were a little worried about me. It was awfully hard!", Tocco, James (1977). "Happy Birthday, Samuel Barber!". Camera Three. CBS., Barber: "My sonata? No, no, no. I can't [play it]." and Heyman, Barbara B. (2001). "Barber, Samuel (Osmond)". In Stanley Sadie; John Tyrrell (eds.). The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians (2nd ed.). London: Macmillan.
Let me know what you think. I would be fine with either ALT2 or ALT3; the ball is in your court! Zingarese talk · contribs (please Reply to icon mention me on reply; thanks!) 15:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Zingarese: Personally I think alt 3 works a bit better than alt2, since it gives more context to why it's so surprising that Samuel Barber could not play his own sonata. I would remove "accomplished", not because he wasn't accomplished, but to avoid MOS:PUFFERY and because I don't think it's super necessary.Jaguarnik (talk) 20:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds wonderful! Promoter please just lose the “accomplished, “ from the hook. Zingarese talk · contribs (please Reply to icon mention me on reply; thanks!) 17:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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...Well, Better Than the Alternative

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Created by Koopastar (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Koopastar (talk) 02:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: No - See comments below.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Article was created 21 August and nominated on the same day. Fine article overall, thanks for your contribution. Regarding the hooks: the piped link to Will Wood (musician) should be updated to link to the article Will Wood directly, as redirects are not allowed. ALT0 is good, but somewhat more vague and mysterious than it is interesting, I think. ALT1 is more interesting, but jargony - I had to go looking through the source to learn what EBSynth is or why it's important. Can the software be omitted from the hook? As a suggestion:

-- Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ivanvector: I agree with your proposed hook, as it is easier to understand than what I wrote. Koopastar (talk) 17:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, then approved with hook ALT1a. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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No net loss environmental policy

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  • Reviewed:
Created by Manxshearwater (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Manxshearwater (talk) 14:30, 26 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Article is new enough and long enough.
  • Looks to be appropriately sourced.
  • QPQ exempt.
  • Earwig doesn't show any copyvio problems.
  • I can't get to the full source to resolve the "at least 69" vs "more than 69" issue pointed out by Launchballer, but this needs to get sorted before this can be promoted, so giving this a query. Other than that, everything is good. I'm not excited about the interestingness of the hook, but it's not bad enough to hold up approval. RoySmith (talk) 19:33, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for bringing this to my attention @RoySmith @chba, I have changed it accordingly! Manxshearwater (talk) 18:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • OK, thanks. I'll AGF that this actually matches the source. BTW, for future reference, it's generally better to strike out an incorrect hook and add an alternate below it instead of editing it in-line. That just makes the history easier to follow. But no worries, you're good for this nomination.

Blue Mountain Pottery

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Oval bowl by Blue Mountain Pottery, with the distinctive blue-green glaze
Oval bowl by Blue Mountain Pottery, with the distinctive blue-green glaze
  • ... that Blue Mountain Pottery started when a Czech worker in Ontario scraped clay off his boot and said it reminded him of clay he had used to make ceramics in Czechoslovakia?
5x expanded by Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 03:09, 29 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • @Mr Serjeant Buzfuz: As per a recent rule change, a QPQ should be provided at the time of the nomination, rather than up to a week afterwards. Please provide a QPQ as soon as possible, as the nomination may be closed without warning if one isn't provided. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • A QPQ was supplied within four hours of the above notice and is present. The article is a new enough expansion. The hook facts check out, with a strong preference toward ALT0 for a promoter. Beautiful pieces. No textual issues—quote is attributed, and other common phrases are banal. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • On reflection, I changed the image caption slightly, from "Small bowl" to "Oval bowl". There is nothing in the image to give a scale, so best not to comment on size. "Oval" acts as a descriptor for visually impaired readers. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 01:06, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pavel Kushnir

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  • ... that Russian pianist Pavel Kushnir was arrested for anti-war videos posted in a YouTube channel with only five subscribers, and became the first political prisoner to die in a dry hunger strike in modern Russia? Source: [11], first paragraph: "Pianist Pavel Kushnir died on July 28 after a dry hunger strike in a pretrial detention center in the Far Eastern city of Birobidzhan. He was 39 years old. The musician was detained in late May by FSB officers - he was accused of publicly calling for terrorism because of anti-war videos that he published on his YouTube channel with five subscribers."
    [12] - for "the first political prisoner to die in a dry hunger strike in modern Russia", article says that the last person who died of a hunger strike was Anatoly Marchenko in USSR in 1986.
Created by Artem.G (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 17 past nominations.

Artem.G (talk) 14:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - 1986 is modern though? Personally I would revise the hook (see below), as the first part is more interesting than the first person to die on a particular type of hunger strike in 35 years or so.
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - I don't think we can run "only" as it would be editorializing
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Sad story (t · c) buidhe 06:06, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • ALT1 ... that Russian pianist Pavel Kushnir died on a hunger strike after his arrest for anti-war videos posted on a YouTube channel with five subscribers? (t · c) buidhe 06:06, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hey, thanks for the review! In 1986 it was still the USSR, and "modern" was about the Russian Federation. But yeah, an agree that it's not necessary; I think ALT1 is fine, thanks for copyediting.

with ALT1 (t · c) buidhe 02:00, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maryvonne Le Dizès

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Created by Rigg (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2115 past nominations.

Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:16, 28 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • This will need a new hook per WP:DYKINT, as the hook as currently written is not likely to be perceived as interesting or unusual by people without specialist knowledge. It is reliant on names and knowledge unknown to most readers, and her writing the trio is part of her job and may not meet scrutiny from other reviewers. My suggestion would be to propose a hook about her being the first woman to win the Paganini Competition (which is an exceptional claim, but shouldn't be hard to prove), while adding context about the competition for the benefit of general readers. A hook about her quote "Teaching is as vital to me as playing my instrument. I cannot teach if I do not play, and I cannot play without teaching." might also work. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:02, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Kindly read the article (or just the hook). She didn't compose as far as we know. The competition is just one of those "first" hooks we were told to avoid. The special thing about her - compared to other violinists - is that she played in this influential ensemble of contemporary music, and people who don't know it get a chance to change that. Being of influence in the composition of new works is a more unusual contribution to world culture than winning a competition, and the combination of instruments is unusual as well. She devoted her life to contemporary music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:23, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CurryTime7-24 and Launchballer: Do you see anything in the article that could work as a hook? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CurryTime7-24, Launchballer, ScottishFinnishRadish, and Valereee: Please look and also read above. As you may have read on my talk, she - whom I also didn't know - became dear to me. Did you know should be about something people don't know, imho. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:03, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to suggest something like "that when Maryvonne Le Dizes became the first woman and first foreigner to enter the Carnegie Hall competition, she was performing less to focus on her children" on the grounds that they'll keep a record of all its competitors, so there's little danger of us being proved wrong. I'm not seeing how the source backs up that her appearance took place in that time period though. I could also recommend "that the violinist Maryvonne Le Dizes "cannot play without teaching"" but that seems less than reverent.--Launchballer 09:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the ideas! In order to run a beauty contest, better format them in a way that a promoter could take them without changes. I hope that we can get "contemporary music" in because that's truly what distinguishes her from most violinists with a DYK that I met. Fewer performances because of children is no surprise. Finding teaching essential as nothing that could be said only about her. For examples:
ALT3: ... that Maryvonne Le Dizès, the first woman to win the Paganini Competition, became a long-term violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain?
ALT4: ... that Maryvonne Le Dizès, the first woman to win the Paganini Competition, became a long-term violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain run by Pierre Boulez?
Pierre Boulez, featured article, centenary next year, is a name that Main page readers should know. However: He will be TFA on his centenary next year, - why promote him? Same for the other with whom she collaborated there, György Ligeti, centenary last year and celebrated. (Remember Le Grand Macabre)? So why promote him? The composer I found has a decent article and should be known more. Commissioning new music is unusual, and should be known more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Probably not a popular opinion, but I feel modifying ALT 3 and 4 thusly would be the best solution here:
ALT1: ... that Maryvonne Le Dizès was the first woman to win the Paganini Competition?
"Long-term violinist" doesn't sound idiomatic. (It reminded me in passing of "Part-Time Lover"!) To you and me, working with the EC and Boulez is a big deal, but to the average person who would potentially read those hooks, it means nothing. Another ALT just came to me after re-reading the article...
ALT2: ... that for the violinist Maryvonne Le Dizès, "teaching was as vital as playing [her] instrument"?Source: Ibid.
I get where Gerda is coming from, but I feel the most successful hooks rely on exactly the sort of facts that she wants to avoid here. Whereas her preference to mention Le Dizès' work in modern music seems to me a tough sell for the casual reader unaware of classical music. Of course, what do I know? Please feel free to disagree! ;) —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:12, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the ALTs and especially for thinking.
"tough sell" - I am not here to sell but to inform, and that goes for the Main page as for articles. I am here to inform about the less known topics, about minorities, and want a place for those, and that goes for the Main page as well. I am here for team spirit, and like her being part of an ensemble most of all, not a virtuoso soloist. I want to give some idea of this to the reader of the one sentence who will not click. Please find a way. - I renamed your ALTs because they were the ideas from above, - why I began with ALT3.
ALT3a: ... that Maryvonne Le Dizès, the first woman to win the Paganini Competition, became violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:25, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I could also call it ALT1a, trying not to leave the impression of her with good old virtuoso Paganini and competition winning alone. Repeating: she dedicated her life to contemporary music, and the name of the ensemble shows that elegantly. ALT1 requires knowledge of Paganini having been a violinist to deduce that she was a violinist, - isn't that asking too much from our general audience? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:25, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

full review needed :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article was nominated five days after creation and is long enough and adequately sourced. The sourcing is largely independent and reliable, and is adequate. Right now Earwig gives me the "Too Many Requests" error so I will return to this and check for close paraphrasing once that is done. A QPQ has been provided. ALT2 is probably the cutest hook here and thus the best option, because it's somewhat surprising and isn't reliant on deep knowledge of classical music. ALT1 is the second-best option here: I know "first" hooks are not well-received on DYK these days, but this is an example that's easy to verify and thus does not require extraordinary evidence: if a full list of competition winners can be provided and added to the article, that should suffice for sourcing. I would also suggest modifying ALT1 to give brief context on the competition for the benefit of general readers. As much as Gerda is partial to ALT3 and variants, CurryTime has a point that it may be too focused on appealing to classical music fans instead of general readers. This will be given final approval once Earwig is working again. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that I clearly said that I won't accept any hook that doesn't show that she was dedicated to contemporary music and ensemble playing. Give minorities a place on the Main page, please ;) - ALT3a has the"first woman" aspect, so offers general appeal. The words "ensemble" and "intercontemporain" are clear to any reader, not "reliant on deep knowledge of classical music". Please think about it. ALT2 is cute, correct, but nothing about her specific accomplishments. It could be said by almost any music teacher giving lessons. CurryTime7-24 has not yet commented on ALT3a. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:16, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda, this is a recurring issue with your nominations: you assume too much about general readership's knowledge of classical music. A general reader would almost certainly not know what a "intercontemporain" is (especially when it's a French term). CurryTime has a point and has already said his piece: the best option here is the angle that appeals to general readers, even if they are not necessarily what you want. WP:DYKINT is clear on this: the hook has to be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing to people lacking specialist knowledge. ALT2 is an easy to understand and catchy hook that does not require specialist knowledge. ALT3 and its variants require knowledge of the Paganini Competition and the Ensemble intercontemporain, which only a minuscule fraction of our readership have. You are essentially pleading for an IAR exemption to DYKINT given that you would rather push for a hook that primarily appeals to you rather than to general readership. Gerda, I understand that you are an expert on classical music, but again, I have to repeat that very few others who are going to read the article are, and even your fellow classical music expert CurryTime prefers a more generalist hook. I have already given my thoughts, and based on WP:DYKINT and other factors, I will only be approving ALT2.
In any case, I was able to make Earwig work and there is an issue: excluding the quote, I am seeing some similarities with the wording at this link. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:35, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is a recurring issue with your reviews. You seem to not have read my post above. Trying to be patient: The first part of ALT3 has already the general appeal you want. The second part doesn't require any knowledge. "Ensemble" is even an English word. "intercontemporain" is close enough to "contemporary". People not interested in that part can simply be attracted by the first part, but we can come closer to her key interests in a few words. Please consider. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is something I have repeatedly brought up because it is something that keeps occurring. It has been an issue for several years, one raised by multiple editors, and one that contributes to classical music hooks generally underperforming in terms of readership. It also contributed to the current wording of WP:DYKINT following an RfC that originated from a similar case. I have already considered ALT3 and its variants, and ultimately, ALT2 is a better option. Even if we go with ALT1, with just the Paganini Competition angle, additional context would have to be added for readers to understand why the competition is a big deal. We cannot just simply rely on them clicking on the link: they need to get the context right from the start. I am open to approving a version of ALT1 with additional context, but ALT3 and variants are simply non-starters. You are assuming too much of a general reader.
The general reader will not easily make the "intercontemporain" = contemporary connection, and the hook does not even make it clear that 1. The Ensemble intercontemporain is the name of a specific group, and 2. that it is a big deal. ALT3 relies too much on specialist information, ALT2 is easy to understand. It may not necessarily be "specific" to her, but it's far more likely to achieve your goal of having readers learn more about Le Dizès. A hook like ALT2 is more likely to have more people read her article and learn about her achievements like joining the ensemble contemporain, than a hook that will just confuse readership and drive readers away (a recurring issue with classical music hooks that are reliant on specialist knowledge).
In any case, the close paraphrasing issue will still need to be addressed regardless of hook, so if that cannot be addressed, this whole discussion is moot anyway. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with the Paganini Competition "context would have to be added for readers to understand why the competition is a big deal". For the Olympics, you would not say so, right? Any competition with an article is notable. Any ensemble with an article is notable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've done some rewriting. I don't know if there is another way to write "a string trio by Jean-Baptiste Devillers, a trio for saxophone, trombone and violin by Gilbert Amy". CMD (talk) 07:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You mean that Earwig is not working for you, or what? - CMD: no, "some person's work" does not have to be changed. It's not phrasing by an author that would need protection. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you. Now that the paraphrasing issues are approved, ALT2 only is approved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We can do two things now. I believe that she is too special to have a hook that could have been said by any school music teacher at any time in any culture, while the Paganini competition would at least credit her as "high achiever" in an "international competition" and present some time frame. To me ALT2 is almost meaningless without context, and highly unspecific. I can withdraw, or find a different reviewer, CurryTime perhaps. I try the latter. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:32, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As a compromise, would you be okay with the following hook then?
ALT4 ... that for Maryvonne Le Dizès, who became the first woman to win the Paganini Competition in 1962, "teaching was as vital as playing [her] instrument"?
As I mentioned above, the Ensemble intercontemporain angle is a non-starter. Also pinging CurryTime7-24 for his thoughts, as requested. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4 doesn't work as explained above. We can't expect that people will gather from the competition's name or article that she was a violinist, and "[her] instrument" - besides being clumsy - makes no sense if we don't know which instrument that was. I also seem not to have been clear about that some form of "contemporary music" is a must for me in her case, because it sets her apart from all other violinist I have met on Wikipedia. I think that CurryTime may understand that--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did not find it clear from the current article that contemporary music was a particular passion. I have added a bit from one source, but also see various bits in this source (French) which help express that too. Perhaps adding that to the article would help. Reading that source, I do think there is merit to mentioning the Paganini competition in the hook, as she states a meeting because of it was one of her best memories (mes plus beaux souvenirs), and this source feels it important enough for the sub-headline. For any hook, we could append "violinist" or "contemporary violinist" before her name at the least. CMD (talk) 12:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4a ... that for contemporary violinist Maryvonne Le Dizès, who became the first woman to win the Paganini Competition in 1962, "teaching was as vital as playing [her] instrument"?
@Chipmunkdavis: Like that? What are your thoughts on the Ensemble intercontemporain angle? It's 172 characters though which is already making the hook rather long, maybe longer than necessary. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's also another possible angle, which would be only to focus on the Paganini Competition angle, but with additional context. The context, however, would need to be added to the article as well:
ALT5 ... that Maryvonne Le Dizès was the first woman to win the Paganini Competition, one of the world's most prestigious violin competitions?
The year is probably unnecessary since it would add too much complexity to the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some sources do seem to highlight her contemporary music. "I am passionate about working with composers," Le Dizès said in a 1998 interview of why she chose to make contemporary music her life. "Being able to discuss a score with its author, seeing together what is possible or not, trying to realize it with them." from [14] for example. I don't know if mentioning the ensemble specifically is necessary, but hopefully mentioning she is a contemporary violinist will suffice for that angle. CMD (talk) 14:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like ALTs 4a and 5. And thank you to Narutolovehinata5 for making an effort to celebrate musicianship in hooks. This makes a nice change from on the one hand seeing music hooks in which too many facts are squeezed (instead of being simple lead-ins to the article which has all the facts) and on the other hand hooks which treat musicianship as if it were something to hide like a skeleton in a cupboard. So if 4a and 5 are where this discussion is set to end, then congratulations to both of you. Storye book (talk) 14:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the efforts! Sorry, I'm not there yet. ALT4: "contemporary violinist" means no more than that she is playing in our time, not what she is playing. Also the timing is sort of wrong, - first she won that competition, and decades later she was a teacher, while this "who became" sounds to me as if it came later. ALT5: no, we don't have to tell readers this "most prestigious" stuff. They know or can find out. We could also say that she played in the "ensemble intercontemporain, one of the most prestigious ensembles for contemporary music", but it's a waste of characters. We wouldn't speak of the "Olympic Games, one of the most prestigious sports tournaments". Let's trust that our readers know to use a link. I still believe that ALT3a is our best choice so far, because it combines a pinnacle early moment - thank you, CMD! - with what she played and recorded for decades, collaborating with some the greatest composers in the field. . Improving the article is most welcome. I worked on Friedrich Schorlemmer for hours, and now comes a Bach cantata for its 300th birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see nothing wrong with ALT3a - I ignored it only because when I commented, it had already been struck out. I think, to be fair to both sides of the above polarised arguments, we should unstrike ALT3a to give a fair choice for the promoter. Storye book (talk) 16:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The issue here is that ALT3a simply fails WP:DYKINT: it is unlikely to be perceived as interesting or unusual to readers without specialist knowledge. ALT3a is reliant on knowing the ensemble, which I imagine even most classical music fans do not know. CurryTime already said it would be preferrable to not use that angle, while CMD said something similar. Three people (myself and two other editors) have either objected to that angle or would prefer something else, so that is already a non-starter. I understand that the ensemble is close to Gerda's heart, but as I've mentioned in many nominations prior: the interests of readership are more important than that of the nominator. ALT4a fits DYKINT better since the primary point (the quote) is not reliant on knowledge that most readers do not have. It is also somewhat of a compromise: it mentions the competition, but does not make it the highlight and thus is not as reliant on specialist knowledge as ALT3a or any variants thereof. One could argue that explaining the ensemble would improve ALT3a, but the thing is, even if that's done, there's already a more suitable option in ALT4a. I imagine more people will click on the article if ALT4a is used than if it's ALT3a.
To back up my point about how DYKINT and appealing to general readers helps, when Maxim Berezovsky ran on DYK this month, it got 8,848 views. This is above average for a Gerda nomination, and that's taking into account that it wasn't even in the image slot. By contrast, in the past, when Gerda's hooks that followed her preferred style or facts ran, they were usually among the worst-viewed hooks of the month, getting around 2,000 to 3,000 views per run. The hook used a fact that was more likely to appeal to general audiences, rather than specifically to classical music buffs. By using a generalist hook, more people ended up reading more about Berezovsky than would have happened otherwise. If Gerda wants to highlight her prowess in the violin and her achievements, it may seem paradoxical, but a generalist hook intended to make people interested in reading her article (and thus meeting DYKINT), as opposed to just simply showing off her highlights without additional context, is more likely to do that than a specialist hook.
In any case, if we are to go with ALT5, the fact about the competition being among the most prestigious needs to be in Le Dizès's article, as right now it's only in the competition article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I patiently disagree. It is not a specialist hook. ALT3a is not reliant on knowing the ensemble, it is not reliant on knowing the importance of the ensemble. It tells any reader that - after winning that prize - she went into ensemble playing, which is almost quirky and says much more about her than the prize alone. It tells people who know the ensemble a bit more, and it tells people who know that it is one of the "most prestigious" ensembles of contemporary music, possibly the most prestigious ensemble, yet a bit more, and I like that. See also my story on Schoenberg's 150th birthday, with a 2010 hook and a 2014 hook, - the latter a hook about his 40th birthday on his 140th birthday (review). I'm quite proud of that ;) - (I didn't even try for this year. imagine why. I brought him to OTD instead.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:44, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Given that they are knowledgeable about DYKINT, asking Launchballer to weigh in on the hooks, and if possible to give this nomination a tick so this can move forward already. In the interest of compromise, I am asking Launchballer to check ALT3a, ALT4a, and ALT5, although for now I am leaving ALT3a struck unless Launchballer says it can proceed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure how comfortable I am signing off on ALT3a or ALT5a per WP:FIRSTWOMAN. ALT4 technically needs an end-of-sentence citation, but it's all part of the same quote so I'm happy to IAR. However, I think we should fix the "needs IPA" tag before this runs.--Launchballer 16:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Launchballer|, sources factually say she was the first woman. It's just a fact. You may also look at the original hook which didn't have that, - I came up with it only because of the want for something for the general readership who allegedly can't be impressed by commissioning new music. I never heard of IPA as a requirement for DYK, - not even FA. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I won't accept ALT5a, as explained above. We don't have to say a competition is prestigious, not even in the article. We cut out "distinguished" conductors and other POV adjectives. Any competition with an article is notable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you may have misread the policy I quoted. I have no objection whatsoever to mentioning "first woman"; it just should not be the first thing we say about her. (To correct my earlier typo, by ALT5a I meant ALT5 - at time of writing there is no ALT5a.) There is no requirement for IPA to be in an article but clearly having a tag like that three words into the article is less than optimal, so I've added it myself. Do you have any objections to me approving ALT4?--Launchballer 22:08, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the IPA! You said ALT5a, and I had little time, sorry about that. Yes, I explained my objections to ALT4 just above, after it was suggested. Trying another compromise:
ALT6: ... that for Maryvonne Le Dizès, violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain, teaching was as vital as playing her instrument? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT6 is not accurate because, for one thing and thus she isn't a violinist of the ensemble anymore, and secondly, it suggests that she's the current violinist of the ensemble or the only one. I'm also not sure why the apparent insistence on featuring a group that is obscure even to most classical music fans and on most days gets 10 or less page views per day, when it isn't central to the main hook fact. Although the hook could be modified to instead say "a former violinist", I'm skeptical that the mention of the ensemble is even necessary for this specific angle. Plus, the capitalization is non-standard in English and thus it isn't even clear that it's referring to a specific group rather than a kind of group).
I really don't understand the objection to ALT5 either: as I mentioned above earlier, the context is necessary for the benefit of non-classical music fans. The competition's importance may be obvious to you, but it may not be to general readers, an issue that, again, has been a long-time recurring problem with your nominations. It also seems to contradict your original objection to ALT2: you didn't want ALT2 as is because it "lacks context". On the other hand, ALT4 and ALT5 give plenty of non-specialist context that helps establish Le Dizès as an accomplished violinist, probably even moreso than ALT6 (I understand the objection per WP:FIRSTWOMAN, but a compromise wording could be done to get around that). It appears that it's less to do with the context but more specifically a desire to feature the ensemble in the hook no matter what.
@Launchballer: Would you be fine with just going with ALT2 instead? It's the simplest and catchiest option, and I don't think the mention of the ensemble or the competition is necessary to make it hookier than it already is. If not, maybe a rephrase of ALT4a? Yes it's a first woman hook and something we'd ideally avoid, but I imagine it some variant of it will get more attention from readership than the ensemble. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's probably worth noting that this discussion is already several times longer than the actual article being discussed (Le Dizès's article is 354 words long, this discussion is already over 4,000 words long), which frankly is ridiculous. This long discussion could have been avoided if only a generalist hook had been accepted from the start, instead of an apparent insistence on the nichest possible hook angles or focus, something contrary to WP:DYKINT (and indeed, DYKINT's wording was meant to prevent cases like this from happening in the first place). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:48, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT6a: ... that for Maryvonne Le Dizès, who was a violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain, teaching was as vital as playing her instrument?
ALT6b: ... that when Maryvonne Le Dizès was violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain, she expressed that her teaching was as vital as playing her instrument?
It is perhaps worth noting that this is so long because of your contributions, Narutolovehinata5, in number of comments and their length. It might be helpful to give others a chance. How can one argue with someone who believes that the leading French (if not even of the world) ensemble of contemporary music is "obscure". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I admit to being a layperson regarding classical music, I am asking input from DYK's other resident opera experts, 4meter4 and CurryTime7-24, regarding the ensemble intercontemporain angle, as well as to confirm if the ensemble is well-known among classical music enthusiasts in general and thus if Gerda's claim about its prestige is accurate. For what it's worth, its French Wikipedia article gets an average of 7 views a day, suggesting even in France it's not well-known, let alone internationally. At the very least, the topic seems very niche and an argument could be made, at least to a layperson, that the ensemble is relatively obscure to the general public.
With regards to the length of this discussion, I would disagree. There was already an opportunity for the discussion to end early when I approved ALT2. Had you agreed to the approval, not only would have the discussion already ended, the hook may have even been promoted by now. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:15, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are proving my point. This discussion might have been much shorter if you had left the review to some else. Did you forget my arguments regarding ALT2? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Narutolovehinata5 Since I was pinged. I've never heard of the Ensemble intercontemporain until today. That doesn't mean much as new classical music is not an area I am expert in, or where I spend my listening energies. In reading up, I can tell you that Ensemble intercontemporain's founder Pierre Boulez (very famous conductor) was widely regarded as one of the world's great conductors until his death in 2016 and was revered in the classical musical world. The Library of Congress says it's "one of the world's great ensembles", and its one of the rare ensembles to be given the Polar Music Prize (in 2022) which is a major award that usually goes to an individual musician. They have also been nominated four times for a Grammy Award, and won the Grammy Award for Best Chamber Music/Small Ensemble Performance twice. My guess is that the ensemble would be better known to European readers than Americans, and than many people who follow classical music (particularly the new stuff) even in the United States will have heard of this group because of the awards. They've also toured to the USA. All together, I don't think calling it prestegious is inaccurate, and given the prizes its won I don't think it could be considered "obscure". The Paganini Competition is one of the top and better known violin competitions. It's a big deal. I personally think Alt 3 is a good hook for this topic.4meter4 (talk) 05:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is your opinion of the following: ALT7: ... that when the future long-term ensemble intercontemporain violinist Maryvonne Le Dizès won the Paganini Competition in 1962, she was the first woman to win the award? ...which says basically the same thing as ALT3 but puts her achievement first.--Launchballer 08:57, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd accept it but think ALT3 is not only more concise but also better chronology. Also, Narutolovehinata5 had problems with the term "long-term". I'd therefore still prefer ALT3a which avoids that. Why not have achievements at the end, for impact? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I get what 4meter4 said above but I'm still skeptical about the ensemble angle for reasons I've already mentioned. It's good to know that they are seemingly prestigious, but I'm skeptical that most readers would even get that context. ALT4a is probably the best compromise angle: it has more emphasis on the quote instead of the first (and thus may meet WP:FIRSTWOMAN better), and it isn't reliant on knowledge of the ensemble. Or if a concise hook is desired, there is still ALT2: I don't see the issues Gerda raised about it as serious and feel that the concerns have less to do with issues about ALT2 itself but more to do with lacking the information or hook facts she wants. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to have overlooked that on 12 Sep, I explained why ALT4a doesn't work (and also had requested a new reviewer even before). - My story today is a DYK 5 years old OTD, about a voice teacher. Interesting review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:09, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The objection towards ALT4a (and indeed any hook that does not mention the ensemble) seems to be more a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT rather than guideline-based objections. As in, the main reason isn't because they're inaccurate or don't meet the guideline, but simply because you want the ensemble to be mentioned and it being in the hook is non-negotiable.
In any case, I offer a compromise deal: in the interest of approving this nomination and putting an end to this, I'm offering to approve a slightly modified version of ALT4 (adding "violinist" before her name) and ALT6a (which seems to be slightly more accurate as it's not clear if she made the quote when she was part of them or not, and I'd suggest adding "Grammy-winning" for context purposes). That way, the promoter can choose between an option that mentions the ensemble (albeit with additional generalist context to make its prestige more obvious), and an option that instead focuses on the award. A hook that mixes the two would probably be too complex, so just focusing on one or the other may be the option here. Deal? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry for making this still longer, but I feel it's sort of basic. When I write articles about people who recently died, I like to mention in a hook what they stood for in life. Example: Hans Otto Jung, born 17 September 2020. In 2017, three things he stood for were mentioned in the hook, without any problems. I loved that. Now we look at this great musician, and I see one thing she stood for: playing, recording and educating in contemporary music, influencing new music in collaborating with the greatest composers in the field, even commissioning new music. I tried that in the original hook. The short elegant summary for this complex achievement is the name of the ensemble, but I'd be open for a different wording. I am not open to reduce her to only a winner of a competition even if it is a prestigious competition, nor to finding teaching as vital as playing which she has in common with a large number of others, or a combination of those two, as offered just above. We have ALT7 to look at. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, Hans Otto Jung's hook does meet WP:DYKINT since the hook was eyecatching even for someone without specialist knowledge. It wasn't simply because it was a summary hook, it was because it met the guidelines and just happened to be one. Such cases are a minority, and summary hooks have received pushback in the past since most arguably do not meet DYKINT. As for ALT7, my primary concern is that it could arguably require trimming since the primary context is her being the first woman to win the award and the rest simply sound like excessive detail. One of your recurring issues is your repeated desire to include as much detail about the subject as possible, something that is discouraged at by WP:DYKTRIM. Again, compare your proposal to Maxim's hook which ran previously and did well. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you understood what I tried to express: that I would see the one thing she stood for mentioned which could be short:
ALT8: ... that Maryvonne Le Dizès was for decades violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain?
How about trying to add to that, or trim AL7? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT7a: ... that Maryvonne Le Dizès became violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain after she had been the first woman to win the Paganini Competition? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no real objections to ALT0. I'd lose "from Gilbert Amy" for concision and would put "ensemble intercontemporain violinist" at the start in lieu of "violinist for the ensemble intercontemporain", but I'd let a prepbuilder make that decision.--Launchballer 20:40, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT7a. Grimes2 (talk) 19:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm giving this some thought, and I'm thinking of another offer. I could approve ALT7a, but I could also offer a modified version of the original hook as a possible option:
ALT0a ... that ensemble intercontemporain violinist Maryvonne Le Dizès once commissioned a trio for saxophone, trombone, and violin?
I'm skeptical that the mention of Amy is necessary, but if the desire is to highlight the unusual combination, then perhaps this makes that emphasis clearer? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0 works for me, but it's more important how Gerda Arendt feels about it. RoySmith (talk) 23:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The issue with ALT0 is WP:DYKTRIM: the mention of Amy doesn't seem necessary or vital to the actual primary hook angle, hence the offer for ALT0a. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, my bad. I wrote ALT0, but I meant ALT0a. RoySmith (talk) 00:43, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for thinking about ALT0. (How about unstriking it? Also ALT3a?) Of course it is not necessary to mention the composer but it establishes that she didn't commission it from some friend or neighbour but from a notable composer (whose name is even short). Also: I believe we should bring her name - which is already interesting, isn't it - to the front, not the ensemble's. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:34, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Trying:
ALT0b: ... that Maryvonne Le Dizès, violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain, commissioned from Gilbert Amy a trio for saxophone, trombone and violin? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0b is problematic: one is that it suggests she is currently a violinist (she is obviously not), and second, the mention of Gilbert Amy seems like excessive detail and thus would have to be dropped per WP:DYKTRIM. Is the mention of Amy absolutely necessary, considering DYKTRIM? A possible solution to the issues could be:
ALT0c ... that Maryvonne Le Dizès, who served as violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain for over twenty years, once commissioned a trio for saxophone, trombone and violin?
This makes it clear that she served as a violinist while also not making any suggestion that she was the only one, nor that she is still with them. The issue is that Amy is not really central to the main hook fact or at least the interesting part (the unusual combination), and thus would arguably fall under the purview of DYKTRIM. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is probably a non-starter considering how dear the mention of the ensemble is to you, but one could argue that a very short and snappy hook like the one below is actually the best option considering the main interesting point is the unusual combination:
ALT0d ... that violinist Maryvonne Le Dizès once commissioned a trio for saxophone, trombone and violin?
At the very least, it is the one closest to the spirit of DYKTRIM: don't be afraid to trim hooks of extraneous information and clauses and the end result is a hook that has too much information and is difficult to process. @Launchballer and RoySmith: What would you prefer: ALT0c or ALT0d? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like ALT0d, and encourage Gerda to compromise a bit so we can get this done. The alternative would be to close this as a failed nomination with people unable to agree on a hook. RoySmith (talk) 12:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no issue with ALT0c or ALT0d and would assess either.--Launchballer 13:18, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0d ALT0e: ... that Maryvonne Le Dizès, who served as violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain for over twenty years, commissioned a trio for saxophone, trombone and violin?
ALT0e ALT0f: ... that while Maryvonne Le Dizès served as violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain, she commissioned a trio for saxophone, trombone and violin?
I don't understand what that "once" is good for. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The reason for the "once" is because it was referring to the fact that it happened once (the time it was commissioned from Amy). It's referring to a specific instance It's a language nuance issue and I understand that English isn't your first language, so it might be hard to explain the nuance involved. Perhaps Launchballer can give an explanation. In addition, is the mention of the ensemble non-negotiable for you? Both Launchballer and RoySmith are open to a hook without it being mentioned, and both ALT0d (and by extension ALT0c) and ALT0e arguably fail WP:DYKTRIM. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As explained a few times above, the ensemble establishes that she was in the top range of her field. I thought that 4meter4 explained that well. Any woman could have commissioned a little piece with unusual instrumentation, without mentioning the high class. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Forgive me Narutolovehinata5 if I'm being excessively WP:BOLD, but I think at this point we've converged on what should be in the hook and we're just getting caught up in details, so I'm going to approve (only) ALT0f. It's possible we could eventually reach consensus on ALT0g, ALT0h, ALT0i, etc, but I think the amount of effort expended to do that wouldn't be justified. FWIW, I'm a native English speaker (to the extent that's possible for somebody who grew up in Brooklyn) and I think it works better without the "once". RoySmith (talk) 18:35, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elayne Harrington

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  • Source: Feehan, Conor (29 August 2013). "Riot-arrest rapper fronts Guinness ad". Irish Independent. Retrieved 23 August 2024.
"'I can't get a job with my Finglas accent' - Connected's Elayne Harrington aka Temper-Mental MissElayneous". Irish Independent. Retrieved 23 August 2024.[15][16]
Created by Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Elayne Adamczyk Harrington (talk) 16:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Comment. The proposed "hook" is not stated in the body and is not supported by either of the proposed references. Where does "arrested for lèse-majesté" ("defamation against the dignity of a ruling head of state"?) come from? The linked Evening Herald article says "arrested for breach of the peace and failure to comply with gardai". Not the offence we are listing here. And the linked Irish Independent (entertainment section) article also says "charged with threatening and abusive behaviour and failing to comply with gardai". Per WP:DYKRULES and WP:DYKHFC, the facts of the hook need to appear in the article (they don't), and the facts of the hook need to be supported by reliable references (they aren't). As it stands, the proposed hook text fails verification and doesn't meet DYK criteria. (Update: I can find no evidence that anyone [including the subject] has ever been arrested in Ireland for "lèse-majesté". There is nothing to indicate that any such offence or law is "on the books" in Ireland.) Guliolopez (talk) 11:46, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Correct, Ireland does not have "lèse-majesté" laws afaik. Being a republic and all that. It is intended to be humorous/non-literal, alluding to "arrested following protests during the Queen's visit in 2012." That is in the article. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. While I understand the humour aspect. And I know myself to be more of a pedant than most. But I'd suggest that "not true" is more accurate than "not literal". Per the guideline, hooks should (indeed) be interesting. But "interesting" shouldn't be prioritised to the extent that "accurate" is ignored. As you note, I don't think the proposed hook "works". Because it's not true or accurate. (We haven't exaggerated the facts - so much as we've changed them.) To the extent that, personally, I don't think that hook should be promoted to the homepage. (propose "... arrested for lèse-majesté with a bodhrán at a protest against Elizabeth II's 2011 state visit to Ireland" as alternative hook.) Guliolopez (talk) 14:31, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, alt will come. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:56, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. While the proposed alt1 is better than the originally proposed hook, it is not ideal (as "followed" implies a sense of wile that isn't in the source - which gives "attended with"). If it were me, I think a hook which focused on the subject's experience with homelessness (and attempts to challenge perceptions of homelessness and destigmatise the issue) would make for a more interesting hook. And is a much more topical issue. In Ireland at least. IMO anyway. Guliolopez (talk) 20:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Elayne Adamczyk Harrington, anything you wish to add to this discussion? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Guliolopez. I added alt2 which is in line with your idea. Do you want to take this forward now? Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. alt2 is probably "good to go". The hook is interesting and cited (and reflective of the sources). Otherwise the nominated article is long enough, was new enough (at time of nom) and within policy (neutral, no copyvio, etc). QPQ likely doesn't apply. In short: Yes, this could probably be taken forward to next/prep stage. Guliolopez (talk) 14:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Hergel

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  • ... that football player Kyle Hergel said his biggest strength was "my nastiness"?
Created by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 241 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:07, 31 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: I'll be honest - nineteen-year-old says "I'm mean and I want to hit new people" isn't my dream hook. That being said, it is the most "hooky" bit of information in the article. Everything else seems to be in order, at least for DYK standards.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:24, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Margrit Waltz

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  • ... that when Margrit Waltz accepted a marriage proposal, she told her suitor that he would never be the first love in her life?
  • Source: "I told him straight out that he had to understand that if I said yes, he would always be number two, as flying was my first love."
Created by RoySmith (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 40 past nominations.

RoySmith (talk) 15:22, 23 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Unusual life, on fine sources, no copyvio obvious. This ref has a day of birth. I made some small changes, please check. I wonder why you don't give us readers an infobox, - I first thought Margrit Waltz was the name of the pictured airplane ;) - I am not happy with the hook, because I believe that it's only quirky if we get to know that her #1 love will always be flying, not some other man. I am also not sure if, with such an unusual record of 900 trans-Atlantic flights, we should go for some little quirkiness instead of that unusual achievement. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the review and for finding the German-language source! I've added the date of birth and an infobox. How about:

  • ALT1: ... that Margrit Waltz holds the record for the most trans-Atlantic flights?
  • ALT2: ... that Margrit Waltz has ferried almost 1000 planes across the Atlantic?

PS, I've stuck my original; you're right, it's a silly thing to focus on. Of the two above, I think ALT2 is the better one. RoySmith (talk) 14:14, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I like both, and could also imagine a combination. - On the Main page right now Jerzy Artysz, and all the hook says is that he was honoured by a music university on his 70th birthday. Nothing about him as an unusual person. I don't recall any other baritone who performed so many title roles, - they usually go to the high voices. Sad. I had no time nor energy to fight it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:42, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT2a: ... that Margrit Waltz has ferried almost 1000 planes around the world?
Gerda Arendt I just realized ALT2 is incorrect and replaced it with ALT2a. RoySmith (talk) 14:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see, but think "around the world might be misunderstood, no? Perhaps the 900 across the Atlantic are less vague, and interesting enough. At present, ALT1 is approved, I moved ALT2a below the approval, because I'm afraid not every prep builder will study the history. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT2b: ... that Margrit Waltz has ferried almost 1000 planes to points on five continents?
Thank you, approving all, prefer ALT2b. Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:35, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 24

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UnMetal

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  • Source: Almost every review and article about the game, but here's two
Created by AdoTang (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.

AdoTang (talk) 02:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: The plot section does not have inline sourcing, but this is not required per MOS:PLOTSOURCE. ALT2 talks about using a bedpan to save and needing to empty it to save again, which is not exactly what the hook says. It may need to be reworded if it is the hook chosen, but I believe other hooks are more interesting anyway, especially ALT3. The source provided for ALT3 does not mention humanitarian aid, but this is mentioned in other sources in the article. I believe this DYK is ready to go. Muhandes (talk) 11:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 25

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Milan A. P. Harminc

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  • Source: Mikuláš Teich, Dušan Kováč, Martin D. Brown. Slovakia in History. Cambridge University Press, 2011. pp. 194-195
Created by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 394 past nominations.

Soman (talk) 18:11, 25 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Hello Soman! This is a well-sourced and well-written article. The hook is interesting, and it was nominated on the day it was moved to mainspace, which was almost a month ago, but it still qualifies for newness. I think it is good to go! —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 15:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tropical Storm Kai-tak

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  • ... that the government used military trucks and bulldozers to rescue people from a tropical storm?
Improved to Good Article status by TheNuggeteer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 18 past nominations.

🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 01:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Article is in good shape, recently promoted to GA. The hook checks, though the provided source on bulldozers was incorrect -- I have changed it. It might not be the most interesting, given that trucks and bulldozers are commonly used in disaster recovery operations -- could you perhaps suggest a few ALTs?
I would like to see source data information for File:Urduja 17 Animation.gif, but that is not strictly a requirement for GA, and the article would also benefit from some further copyediting. I can find no evidence of the supposed CC1.0 licence on File:Kai-tak imerg 13-18 december 2017 animated.gif and File:Analysis of Tropical Storm Kai-Tak.jpg, but both should be PD as the work of a US government employee. I can find no other copyvio, BLP or other serious concerns.
QPQ needs to be done. UndercoverClassicist T·C 16:16, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Again, I'm not sure we've passed the threshold of interest there -- most tropical storms do that, and it's not particularly interesting that they do. Per WP:DYKINT: The hook should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest. Can you find anything in the article that would meet that -- for example, things which apply only to this particular storm, or might otherwise be surprising and motivate a reader to click on the article? UndercoverClassicist T·C 08:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TheNuggeteer: Please provide a QPQ as soon as possible, as the nomination may be closed without warning if one is not given within a reasonable timeframe. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:53, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the text of that one is good -- perhaps creates the false suggestion that the NPA was doing the rescue operation, though. I don't know the source very well but it smells a bit local/tabloidy to me -- have I read that wrong, or do we have a more authoritative source to corroborate? UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Found an article by the Straits Times. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 04:20, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That'll do it: approved ALT2. UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:12, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manuel Osa Nsue Nsua

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  • ... that a banker was named the prime minister of Equatorial Guinea to succeed a government that resigned for being "ineffective"?
  • Source: News Central Africa ("Equatorial Guinea’s President Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo has appointed former bank chief Manuel Osa Nsue Nsua as prime minister, following a decree issued nearly three weeks after the previous government resigned for being 'ineffective.'")
  • ALT1: ... that a banker was named his country's prime minister to succeed a government that resigned for being "ineffective"? Source: same
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Alfred Sully
  • Comment: Open to other ways of wording or other ALT hooks. Was hoping to get this Equatoguinean featured in some way (since not many get featured after all - this would be only the country's third-ever DYK bio!).
Created by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 240 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: You barely made the 7-day period! The hook is a little confusing, but oh well. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 14:03, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Political text messaging

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Created by Bluethricecreamman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Bluethricecreamman (talk) 21:26, 25 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Palace Theater Light

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Created by Panamitsu (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 47 past nominations.

―Panamitsu (talk) 06:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: I am okay with sourcing as spot checks passed. However, I think you should actually link all the newspaper articles where possible so that any reviewing admin can also verify the sources. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Panamitsu: I need you to please fix source 4, cited several times. Atlas Obscura articles are user-generated and user-editable with minimal oversight, and the site's terms of use includes disclaimers about user submissions. Many of the "places" articles cite Wikipedia as a source of their information or otherwise lack clear or reliable sourcing. Per WP:GUNREL: These articles should generally not be referenced on Wikipedia. I personally would have no issue with you using this source once or twice for something uncontroversial, however unfortunately for an article to appear on the Main Page, I don't think this source is gonna cut it. I can seek a second opinion if you want, but I would hate to approve it only for an admin to step in and decline to post...— MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:37, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @MaxnaCarta: Thanks for telling me this, I hadn't seen this website before. I've removed it now. Luckily the other sources were already used for the same information so I didn't have to make many changes, except for removing a name and a year. ―Panamitsu (talk) 02:54, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Panamitsu: all good, thanks for actioning so fast. I will review the rest of the sources and come back to you. I dont anticipate any issues. Looks okay from here. Cheers — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:57, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]



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Tauba Tauba (song)

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5x expanded by KunalAggarwal95 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 06:40, 27 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - no, ALT1 -> sources in article refer to charts released after the date of release, so not "ahead of the film's 19 July 2024", and are not the sources in the hook
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: created July 2024, 5x expanded up to 26 August, but over more than 20 days not new enough Bogger (talk) 13:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But this is not mentioned in the DYK rules that article must be expanded within 20 days. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 18:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article qualifies as a 5x expansion as the expansion began on 26 August (per DYKcheck), the same day it was nominated at DYK. Creation date is not relevant in the case of a more recent 5x expansion, the date that matters was the date the expansion began. Pinging reviewer Bogger, to let them know that their review was based on a misunderstanding of the DYK rules. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bogger ALT2: ... that Karan Aujla's Hindi-language single "Tauba Tauba" from the film Bad Newz became a Billboard Canadian Hot 100 Top 25 ahead of the film's 19 July 2024 release? Source: https://www.billboard.com/charts/canadian-hot-100/2024-07-20/
I have replaced the old chart sources with the hook sources. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:18, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
updated sources for ALT1 look good, approved ALT1, ALT2 -Bogger (talk) 11:19, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rooms by the Sea

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Created by Viriditas (talk) and Tryptofish (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 26 past nominations.

Viriditas (talk) 23:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • I started to review this, but then I got to copyediting so I'm ineligible to review. It grieves me to say that I could not find material for an even remotely off-color ALT. EEng 02:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article is new enough, long enough, and within policy. However, I don't think this hook works for two reasons. One, the fun of this hook is backwards. The punchline of this hook is when you get to the article and realize it is about a painting and not actual beachfront property. That's witty, but the wit isn't in what one sees on the main page. On its face, the buying of property along a beach isn't interesting, and I don't think the hook will draw in many readers so that they get the wit of the hook which requires actually going to the page. Two, the hook is factually inaccurate. Even if a painting depicts beachside property, the purchaser of a painting knows they aren't buying land, they are buying a painting. I get the humor/wit behind the hook, and if this were an April Fools hook proposal it would be appropriate. In short: we need a new hook that is hooky at first glance and verifiable.4meter4 (talk) 22:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1:

Source: "The light in many of Hopper’s paintings appears overdetermined, as much psychological as natural. In “Rooms by the Sea” (1951), one of his strangest paintings, it is especially urgent and borderline surrealistic." Johnson, Ken (January 3, 2013). "Artworks That Shine in New York Museums". The New York Times.
@4meter4: I've provided an alternative hook that I think will satisfy your specifications. (In case you didn't know, the joke about selling someone "beachfront property" is a thing, [19], and we even have a page about a song about it.) --Tryptofish (talk) 21:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Edward Cruttwell

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Tower Bridge under construction, 1892
Tower Bridge under construction, 1892
  • ... that after supervising construction of London's Tower Bridge in the 1890s, engineer Edward Cruttwell was retained as consulting engineer to the bridge until his death in 1933?
  • Source: Cruttwell "... did, however, keep the position of Consulting Engineer to Tower Bridge until his death in 1933." "About Edward Cruttwell". Heritage - Tower Bridge. Retrieved 2024-08-27.
  • Source: "In 1901, he won the first prize of £1,000 for the best design for what would ultimately be called Sydney Harbour Bridge, although his design was not proceeded with for financial, design and political reasons." "About Edward Cruttwell". Heritage - Tower Bridge. Retrieved 2024-08-27.
Created by Paul W (talk) and PSCMol (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

Paul W (talk) 11:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Hi Paul W, always good to see new civil engineering content and one brought through from WP:AFC. I'll take a look at this one. Article was moved to Mainspace on 27 August and exceeds minimum length; Sourcing looks to be generally OK for the content cited. I sometimes wonder about some articles on Grace's Guide but the one's cited here seem fairly open on where the content comes from (the site was discussed at WP:RSN in 2019 and I am not aware of any more recent discussions). However RailScot was deemed "generally unreliable" in 2022, is there an alternative you can replace it with? I'll complete the rest of the review once this is addressed, appreciate it is only one citation - Dumelow (talk) 10:49, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Dumelow. I have replaced the RailScot reference (it was one added by the article's creator, a relatively new editor); I found a book citation via the ICE archive at Heriot-Watt. Best wishes - Paul W (talk) 12:01, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Paul W. You'll need a US public domain tag for the image if you want to use it on the main page. Additionally I think some of the wording is a bit close to the Tower Bridge source. I can give some examples, if needed, but the Earwig tool summarises it well. I am not too worried about what Earwig flags elsewhere, eg. from Grace's Guide which looks to mostly be proper nouns and the like - Dumelow (talk) 12:56, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again, Dumelow. I worked on reducing the paraphrasing early in the article's development, and have now undertaken another batch of edits, addressing both the Tower Bridge source and the Grace's profile. Not sure how I fix the US image tag issue. An alternative might be to use the portrait of Cruttwell which User:PSCMol added to the site after I did the DYK nomination (but I think the Tower Bridge photo is a stronger hook - or maybe this painting?). Paul W (talk) 13:58, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Winfield Blake

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Winfield Blake
Winfield Blake
  • ... that after having a career as an opera singer and Broadway musical star, Winfield Blake (pictured) became a comedian in vaudeville as one half of the comic duo Blake and Amber?
Created by 4meter4 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 92 past nominations.

4meter4 (talk) 22:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Article was newly created in draft space and moved to main space within the timeframe required. It's very long and has citations throughout. Nothing appears non-neutral to me. The hook fact is interesting enough. No close paraphrasing concerns are identified by the tool, although it's only letting me check the links on the page as we've used Google search too many times today? QPQ is provided. I think the image can be added as it's old enough that it's public domain. I'd add an infobox to the article, but that's not necessary. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the review. I added an image as suggested.4meter4 (talk) 21:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Giorgina Reid

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  • ... that Giorgina Reid patented a technique for holding up banks? Source: Goldstein, Marilyn (October 10, 1984). "She Holds the Patent on Tenacity". Newsday. p. 19. (Available via newspapers.com with TWL)
Created by Legoktm (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

Legoktm (talk) 06:38, 1 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Afonso Henriques Theatre

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  • Reviewed:
Moved to mainspace by V.B.Speranza (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Draft published the day of nomination, length is good, material is neutral, the hook is interesting, and no QPQ is required 🙂 For the citing of the hook and some of the citing of the article, I have to AGF because I cannot read Portuguese, but the article does not appear to read in a plagiarized manner. Before passing this DYK, there's just a few places in the article which need a citation which I've marked with a 'citation needed' tag, but otherwise, the page looks really good and was an interesting read. Cheers! Johnson524 21:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC) Johnson524 21:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnson524: Done! V.B.Speranza (talk) 22:24, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@V.B.Speranza: Passed! Johnson524 04:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Johnson524: Two weeks passed, is there any problem with the article for this nomination to still be pending? V.B.Speranza (talk) 23:14, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@V.B.Speranza: No, I placed the article as passed two weeks ago, weird. Johnson524 23:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Johnson524: Why is it still pending then? V.B.Speranza (talk) 12:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@V.B.Speranza: It should've been moved to the preparation stage by another editor now? I'll mark this DYK complete with no issues again, but I'm not sure it'll do anything. Sorry, Johnson524 12:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Efeméride de 22-04-1863 · Arquivo da Sociedade Martins Sarmento" [Event of 22-04-1863 - Martins Sarmento Society Archive]. csarmento.uminho.pt (in Portuguese). Guimarães: Efeméride Vimaranense. 22 April 1863. Archived from the original on 26 March 2024. Retrieved 26 March 2024.

KUVI-DT

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Improved to Good Article status by Sammi Brie (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 706 past nominations.

Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:06, 27 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Dibsing review but I gotta come back for it. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 08:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Article newly promoted to GA. Length is well over the minimum. Sourcing is reliable and consistent through the article. No concerns about CV, POV, or other policy issues. Hook is interesting - how often does a country singer buy a TV station? Reference checks out. QPQ complete. Ready to roll. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 11:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Making the Bed

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Moved to mainspace by MaranoFan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 73 past nominations.

NØ 11:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: A well-written and well-sourced article. It is new and long enough, and Earwig shows that it is copyvio-free. I think the original hook is interesting enough, and the sources provided for the hooks check out (although for the ALT2 hook, both The Guardian and Billboard sources used the word "dream" instead of "nightmare", it might be better to change the word choice back to "dream" in accordance with the sources). Good to go! —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 12:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC) —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 12:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Norma Phillips

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Created by Silver seren (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 126 past nominations.

SilverserenC 16:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good! New article (moved from userspace), long enough, well-sourced, QPQ is done. Small note on the hook: should be "real-life" instead of "real life". hinnk (talk) 22:56, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added, thanks! SilverserenC 22:57, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cécile Fatiman

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Improved to Good Article status by Grnrchst (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 41 past nominations.

Grnrchst (talk) 09:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Interesting GA biography, on fine sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. Of the hooks, I prefer ALT1, by far. "Possessed" is too ambiguous a word, and that spirit not known (at least to me). I like the description of the ceremony better than labelling her as priestess (ALT2), and ALT3 says nothing more than the obvious: that we didn't know her ;) - In the article, I'd say something about the lead image, such as "depiction". Seems to be someone's dream of her ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:29, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barry Green (hunter)

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Created by Di (they-them) (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 21 past nominations.

Di (they-them) (talk) 01:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: References were spot-checked for verification; no issues arose. Yue🌙 04:22, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dim Montero

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  • ... that Dim Montero "could pick up a rock and find an outstanding football prospect"?
Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 242 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • The article looks good and the hooks are interesting and appear in the sources. No copyvios present or other issues. I think the two-day delay can be excused but we can also get a second opinion through whoever promotes the hook. I'm gonna approve this.--NØ 12:18, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Over My Dead Body (2023 film)

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  • ... that Jer Lau, who starred in the film Over My Dead Body, also performed its theme song because the director felt his role was too minor?
Created by Prince of Erebor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 12:45, 29 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • The article looks good! The nomination was made in time and the QPQ has been completed. No copyvios that I can spot. I have used a translator to verify the hook, so I am using an AGF tick. Great stuff.--NØ 11:28, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "死屍死時四十四｜何爵天專訪 自認鏡粉睇中「Jerdan」化學作用 搵柳應廷唱高難度主題曲「加戲」" (in Chinese). am730. 26 March 2023. Archived from the original on 28 August 2024. Retrieved 26 August 2024. 何導更自爆嫌客串演出的阿Jer戲份太少，故特地找他唱高難度的電影主題曲《鹹魚遊戲》，並呼籲觀眾要一戲呵成聽埋首主題曲。 [Director Ho (Cheuk Tin) even revealed that he found Jer Lau's cameo role too small, so he specifically invited him to sing the challenging theme song "Salted Fish Game" as well, urging the audience to listen closely to the theme song as they watch the film.]

Afrique Victime

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  • ... that Mdou Moctar's Afrique Victime was also released on Nokia devices (specifically the Nokia 6120) to honor his former albums?
Improved to Good Article status by TheNuggeteer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 19 past nominations.

🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 03:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • GA status confirmed, date is fine. Various GA-related quality aspects confirmed as meeting DYK standards. Still needs a QPQ review. Hook needs improvements; not Nokia devices, but a single device (the article states "In homage to his first albums, which he spread using Bluetooth, he released a collector's edition Nokia 6120 handset."). And while this is not a DYK concern, I think this part of the article should be expanded - how can one spread albums using Bluetooth? How does one include an album in a handset (the source states it was pre-loaded onto a classic handset, which is confusing - what exactly was that item)? If I was a GA reviewer I'd expect this to be addressed (expanded with clarifications in the text). Ping GA reviewer User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Finished the hook request. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 09:04, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Piotrus: Hello? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gonzalo Brenes

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Created by 4meter4 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 91 past nominations.

4meter4 (talk) 21:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good. AGF on the hook source, which is inaccessible for me. BeanieFan11 (talk) 12:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alfred Sully

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Alfred Sully
Alfred Sully
  • Source: From September 1856 through May 1857, while serving at Fort Pierre, he met and, by Sioux tribal custom, married a young French-Yankton girl of the Yankton Sioux tribe. (Deloria - page 44)
  • ALT1: ... that U.S. Army Colonel Alfred Sully (pictured) ordered the severed heads of the native Americans responsible for killing one of his officers placed on stakes? Source: In response to the killing of his topographical engineer, Captain John Feilner, on June 28, 1864, Sully ordered the severed heads of the native Americans responsible placed on stakes overlooking the Missouri River as a warning. (Doane Robinson Collection and Schusky page 52)
  • Reviewed: Henry Bubb
Improved to Good Article status by Dwkaminski (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 20 past nominations.

Dwkaminski (talk) 16:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Yes
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article looks mostly good; however, the sentence From September 1856 through May 1857, while serving at Fort Pierre, he met and, by Sioux tribal custom, married a young French-Yankton girl of the Yankton Sioux tribe. needs to have a direct citation as its the DYK hook. Also, do you think you could provide for me a quote for what part of the book verifies it? (seems I've missed it) – a QPQ also needs to be done. When approved, my preference is for ALT0. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I added Deloria pp 29-30 for that line and it is also referenced in the descendant section with mention of his wife and daughter (ref to Deloria page 35)
@Dwkaminski: Please provide a QPQ as soon as possible, as the nomination may be closed without further warning if one is not provided. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:38, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11: I've hopefully addressed your concerns above and added my qpq. Thank you! Dwkaminski (talk) 15:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

G. R. Pantouw

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Created by Kaythehistorian (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Kaythehistorian (talk) 01:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: Yes
  • Neutral: Yes
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: No - There’s a lot of close paraphrasing, and there are some examples and suggestions:
  • Ref 2: “During the Japanese occupation of the Dutch East Indies, Pantouw was active in the Syukai Gi In organization in Makassar. Following the end of Japanese rule and the proclamation of Indonesian independence, the organization changed its name to Source of the People's Blood (Sumber Darah Rakyat, Sudara).”
  • Article: “During the Japanese occupation of the Dutch East Indies, Pantouw was active in the Syukai Gi In organization in Makassar. Following the end of Japanese rule and the proclamation of Indonesian independence, the organization changed its name to Source of the People's Blood (Sumber Darah Rakyat, Sudara)”
  • Suggestion: “Pantouw later joined another organization in Makassar, Syukai Gi In, which later became Sudara (Sumburan Darah Rakyat, lit. "Source of the People's Blood") after the end of the Japanese occupation of the Dutch East Indies.”
  • Ref 3: “Together with Ratulangi, Najamuddin Daeng Malewa and other Republicans, he had been active in various organizations in Sulawesi such as Source of the People’s Blood (Sumber Darah Rakyat, Sudara) and the Party of Popular Sovereignty (Partai Kedaulatan Rakyat, pkr). But eventually he came to the conclusion that nothing could be achieved through such organizations. He therefore joined the NIT together with Malewa, cooperated with the Dutch, and became minister of information in the first cabinet of the NIT. His main concern was to tackle the many social problems confronting the Indonesian people due to the Japanese colonial rule and the Allied bombings. Pantouw was fully aware that the NIT was widely regarded as a Dutch puppet. But he was determined to turn it into a tool to push the Dutch into ending their colonialism. Pantouw argued that it was impossible for the Republic of Indonesia – which had no power, no army and no weapons in this part of Indonesia – to fight the Dutch effectively.
  • Article: “Pantouw, together with other nationalists including Sam Ratulangi and Nadjamuddin Daeng Malewa, were active in Sudara as well as the Party of Popular Sovereignty (Partai Kedaulatan Rakyat, PKR). However, he came to the conclusion that nothing could be achieved through such organizations. He, together with Malewa, therefore chose to cooperate with the Dutch. Both Pantouw and Malewa joined the first cabinet of the Dutch-backed State of East Indonesia (Negara Indonesia Timur, NIT). The latter became prime minister, while the former became minister of information. Pantouw's main concern was to tackle the many social problems confronting the Indonesian people. He was aware that the NIT was seen by many simply as a Dutch puppet state. But he was determined to turn the state into a tool to push the Dutch into ending colonialism. Pantouw argued that it was impossible for the newly proclaimed Republic of Indonesia — which had no power, no army, and no weapons in this part of the country — to fight the Dutch effectively, thus joining the NIT was a necessary step given the political situation.”
  • Suggestion: “Despite being active in organizations like Sudara and the People's Sovereignty Party, he decided to collaborate with the Dutch government after realizing an inability to achieve much with the former, and he joined the first cabinet of the Dutch-backed State of East Indonesia (NIT) as minister of information, under the leadership of prime minister Nadjamuddin Daeng Malewa, also a fellow nationalist. Despite being aware of the NIT’s reputation as a puppet state, he was determined to not only address Indonesian people's social concerns, but also to pressure the Dutch into decolonization, arguing that "it was impossible for the newly proclaimed Republic of Indonesia — which had no power, no army, and no weapons in this part of the country — to fight the Dutch effectively".”
  • More suggestions: Remove “As a member of Jong Minahasa“ as redundant and replace with “and”, and replace “participated” with “stood” or “ran”.

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: No - Clarify that the SEI is a Dutch puppet state, without which this hook wouldn’t be interesting enough, and we got ourselves a deal.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: 2942 B and nom one day after creation. Ref 2 has “/wiki/” in the URL, but it’s more of a technical aspect since the Encyclopedia of Indonesian History has an editorial staff. Fix the issues and you’re good to go. ミラP@Miraclepine 01:47, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kaythehistorian: Almost everything is good, except:
  • Change "during the Japanese occupation of the Dutch East Indies. The organization changed its name" to -> "before it changed its name"; redundant since the next sentence is already clear he remained in Sudara around the time he collaborated with a post-war puppet regime; also this helps fix a close-paraphrasing issue, and it helps if you look at WP:POSA.
  • Change "was the best way" to "was essential"; the former implies there were other options even though the source doesn't make such seem as obvious as the latter.
  • Fix the "210–1" to "211–2"; I checked the source and I assume it's probably a mistake, just like "re-establish" (a minor grammar issue I fixed myself).
Fix these and only these and I'll approve ALT0a. ミラP@Miraclepine 04:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Victoria Siddall

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  • ... that Victoria Siddall is the first woman appointed Director of the National Portrait Gallery, London, in its 168 year history?
Created by Medievalfran (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Medievalfran (talk) 15:24, 30 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Interesting hook and the article is properly cited and constructed. QPQ not needed. I made a couple of edits to the article, but they are very minor. Richard Nevell (talk) 21:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rika Nakagawa

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Nakagawa at the 2017 Tokyo International Film Festival
Nakagawa at the 2017 Tokyo International Film Festival
  • ... that Rika Nakagawa (pictured) won a national debate competition as an active tarento? Source: [20], [21] (the whole preview part; source is paywalled, but the available preview should confirm the fact); various sources in the article also allude to her entertainment career when bringing up the debate competition.
    • ALT1: ... that while active as a talent and model, Rika Nakagawa (pictured) won a national debate competition? Source: Same as above
    • ALT2: ... that while active as a talent and model, Rika Nakagawa (pictured) won a national debate competition for high school students? Source: Same as above
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pioneer Fire
    • Comment: The actual hook wording can be worked out with the reviewer. As it's rare for me to have an image hook (since the subjects I work with rarely if ever have free images available), using the image would be appreciated, but it's okay if it runs without.
Created by Narutolovehinata5 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 107 past nominations.

Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:16, 28 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Can't find anything except a speech contest in the source, but it's probably the same. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 14:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She won in the debate category in that speech contest, hence the wording of the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:46, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Right and the Wrong

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To say this topic's title sounds highly reminiscent of the Bell Dramatic Serial soaps...but that's besides the point here.
For those keeping track on XTools (at least for the next couple of hours), this nomination officially marks my 20,000th edit on the English Wikipedia--14 years after my last milestone. (Helped a lot--and then some--by my ongoing backlog-clearance drive of AFC's unassessed list, whose near-conclusion my pitch also coincides with.) Many thanks to those I've met on this edition ever since February 2005--whether they're still editing or not.
Seriously, WP needs more coverage on audiovisual media from the Commonwealth Caribbean--and we've only just started by now. A special shout-out to Trinidadian stalwart Guettarda (talk · contribs · count), and CaribDigita (talk · contribs · count) of Barbados; as an occasional reminder, I'm a Commonwealth of Dominica expatriate. Guettarda's recent essay, "Decolonizing Wikipedia" (which I discovered several hours before press time), is recommended reading for future Caribbean-based editors. Here's hoping more from my own native homeland take up the mantle from here.
As always, stay tuned for several more candidates of mine in the months to come. Take care--and I'll see you back!
P.S. Reddit's loss had better be this community's gain--and I know it as a veteran of both platforms. (It'll be Digg all over again when reports of the userbase's vitriol this week over an extremely loathed, uncalled-for UI revamp hit the wires of The New York Times et al....if they ever do--and they should.)
Moved to mainspace by Slgrandson (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.

Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 02:47, 30 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks mostly good. Have to AGF on the paywalled source. As for the hook, the article seems a bit unclear: the hook says one of the first two in Trinidad, but all I see in the prose of the article is 1970's The Right and the Wrong and The Caribbean Fox, both directed by Harbance Kumar, were the first English-speaking films to be produced natively in the West Indies. Could you clarify in the article that it is one of the first two Trinidad films if that is the case? Also, would it be better to say it is one of the first two films produced in Trinidad, rather than by Trinidad? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:17, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11: checkY Fixed.
ALT0a: ... that The Right and the Wrong was the first feature film produced natively in Trinidad and Tobago? Source: Paddington, Bruce; Warner, Keith Q. (Winter 2009). "The Emergence of Caribbean Feature Films". Black Camera. 1 (1). Indiana University Press: 94, 98–99. doi:10.2979/blc.2009.1.1.91. JSTOR 10.2979/blc.2009.1.1.91. S2CID 144560687. Retrieved 2024-08-29 – via JSTOR.
--Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 07:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0a approved. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:28, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actinote zikani

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Created by Sir MemeGod (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 12:36, 30 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@Kevmin: GAN passed. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 17:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article GA passed, original nomination was new enough and long enough. I known that the specific 8a.m. time is going to hit problems either in the promotion process here, or on the main page. I would say the more accurate part of that sentence is "at sunrise", that should be corrected to avoid the wp:overprecision of the statement.--Kevmin § 18:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 18:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actinote zikani mounted pair.
GA nom good to go. No identified copyvios, article cited and sourced per DYK. Sources are confirmed and hook is verified to sourcing. I would suggest including the mounted specimen image for the hook as well, image is main page compliant from Flicker cc-by-0 account of DNA sequenced specimens. Looks good to go.--Kevmin § 13:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, we should use an image if possible, I forgot to add it when starting the nom. SirMemeGod  13:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great Salt Lake whale hoax

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  • ... that in 1888, a sensational story claimed that a British scientist, James Wickham, introduced two whales to the Great Salt Lake in an attempt to start a whale oil industry?
Moved to mainspace by RadicalUranium (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

OhHaiMark (talk) 17:09, 29 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

IMAX Melbourne

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Created by Mjks28 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Mjks28 (talk) 01:03, 29 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • General eligibility:
  • New enough: Yes
  • Long enough: Yes
  • Other problems: No - Article was nominated 9 days after being moved to mainspace. The limit is 7 days.
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Cambalachero (talk) 18:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cambalachero: Per WP:DYKNEW, "The seven-day limit can be extended for a day or two upon request." For a relatively new nominator, I'd take this.--Launchballer 00:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK Cambalachero (talk) 14:53, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AniWave

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Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 518 past nominations.

Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:05, 29 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

The Book of Longings

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Created by Orchastrattor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

Orchastrattor (talk) 21:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Episode 7921

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  • ... that Episode 7921 of Neighbours features Australia's first televised same-sex wedding since the country voted in favour of legalising same-sex marriage?
Moved to mainspace by JuneGloom07 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 92 past nominations.

JuneGloom07 Talk 02:42, 29 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Unfortunately, I doubt this will be ready for mainspace on September 3. Nominations for a specific date should be made at least a week before, September 3 is in just 5 days. Cambalachero (talk) 19:14, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tuhi Martukaw

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"Tuhi is known for leading youth delegations to the United Nations Permanent Forum for Indigenous Issues on a yearly basis as part of the LIMA Taiwan Indigenous Youth Working Group." Hioe, Brian (19 November 2019). "Indigenous Occupation Calling for Return of Traditional Territories Reaches 1,000th Day". New Bloom Magazine.
Created by Ornithoptera (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 39 past nominations.

Ornithoptera (talk) 02:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Hi @Ornithoptera:. This is good work. It is new enough, long enough, well-sourced, BLP compliant. QPQ is done. Earwig found no copyright violations. Both hooks are cited. I have done some copyedits, so do check if I haven't made any mistakes along the way. I think the first hook is the most interesting. DYK good to go. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 18:10, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don Goodwin

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Created by Sammi Brie (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 709 past nominations.

Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 08:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Nom on creation day and at 4120 B, and, except one issue above, page looks good. AGF ref 8. @Sammi Brie: fix the above issue and you're good to go. There's info I found in the sources like his UWO professor job, MOS:FIRSTBIO prefers both lifespan dates being in the lede, and the "Clark Kent of The National" quote should have a MOS:ELLIPSIS between of and The, but consider these optional. ミラP@Miraclepine 15:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Queens Zoo

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A petting farm at the Queens Zoo
A petting farm at the Queens Zoo
5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 671 past nominations.

Epicgenius (talk) 18:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation

Image eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Legoktm (talk) 06:55, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Overall great article, ALT2 is my favorite hook, then ALT1, ALT0, ALT3, ALT4. All check out regarding sourcing and are . The image doesn't really work at the low resolution IMO, I think one of the aviary shots would be better. Some assorted comments since I read the whole article, but are minor and don't block the DYK approval:
    • The Animals section starts with "The zoo is home to as many as 112 species as of 2013" (and in the infobox); is there really no updated figure 10 years later?
    • "The administration of mayor Ed Koch and the New York Zoological Society signed a fifty-year agreement" - did the administration really sign the agreement and not the mayor himself? The NYT source says the mayor signed it.
    • Many animals are not wikilinked on first reference in the Description section, but later are during the Animals section - was there a reason for that?
    • I'm low-key skeptical that the non-free logo in the infobox adds anything, it basically just says the zoo's name. Legoktm (talk) 06:55, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks for the review. I added some links and changed the text about the agreement to reflect the source. The logo is outdated, so I removed it. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a more recent figure for the number of species (at least, not one that mentions a date). Epicgenius (talk) 14:35, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brittni Mason

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5x expanded by Di (they-them) (talk) and Queen of Hearts (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

Queen of Hearts (talk) 20:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Article was 5x expanded on August 30, so is new enough. At over 2000 characters, it is long enough. The article is properly referenced with in-line citations. The hook is interesting, short enough, and cited in-line. No copyvio issues noted with Earwig's. The QPQ has been done. Looks good to go! SilverserenC 23:00, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Albright, De'Montre Tuggle

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Created by WikiOriginal-9 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Note that this review is for both of the articles; Where's the hook source? Good enough. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 14:29, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Edmonds Band Rotunda

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Edmonds Band Rotunda
Edmonds Band Rotunda
Created by Panamitsu (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 48 past nominations.

―Panamitsu (talk) 07:50, 30 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: A bit uninteresting, but looks good. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 14:17, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Nice article, I found the fact it was a restaurant to be quite interesting/unique, heritage buildings often get rebuilt but a rotunda serving as a restaurant paints quite an interesting thought in my mind. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dezik and Tsygan

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  • Comment: I'm aware that blogs are not usually usable sources, but this one is the official blog of a scientific institution so I think it should be OK. Di (they-them) (talk) 03:19, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Created by Di (they-them) (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.

    Di (they-them) (talk) 03:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Article looks good and Earwig's is clear. Reviewing ALT0, the hook is interesting and is sourced well. The article cites Guinness World Records which circumvents any concern about the blog source in my opinion so it looks good. ―Panamitsu (talk) 08:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Alt 1. Nice article, I knew little about these space pioneers before your page. To suggest a correction in the blurb, an uppercase 'Earth', thanks, but the main point of them returning to Earth with a parachute (have to make clear in was only by parachute and not in a space capsule if that is the case). The first two-time traveler to space, very good addition to Wikipedia. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Diplodus argenteus

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    The Silver porgy, Diplodus argenteus, photographed off the coast of Cabo Frio, Brazil
    The Silver porgy, Diplodus argenteus, photographed off the coast of Cabo Frio, Brazil
    • ... that despite being commonly found off the coast of country, the etymology of Diplodus argenteus' name has nothing to do with Argentina?
    • ALT1 ...that while adult Silver porgies prefer to inhabit the surf zone, juveniles prefer tidepools while sub-adults frequent beds of seagrass? Sources: Wells, V. Carpenter, C. 2011. A Field Guide to Coastal Fishes from Maine to Texas. Baltimore. Johns Hopkins University Press. Robins, C.R. and G.C. Ray, 1986. A field guide to Atlantic coast fishes of North America. Houghton Mifflin Company, Boston, U.S.A. 354 p. Cervigón, F., 1993. Los peces marinos de Venezuela. Volume 2. Fundación Científica Los Roques, Caracas,Venezuela. 497 p.
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Huang Shaoqiang
    Created by Ryan shell (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.

    Ryan shell (talk) 19:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General eligibility:

    Policy compliance:

    • Adequate sourcing: No - I will kindly AGF the offline sources, but many parts of the article is unsourced. Paragraph four has an unsourced statement, and the "Biology" paragraph is unsourced; there’s also one ending in "FAO REF?". Ref 1 doesn't specify it's a "gamefish" beyond vague "if fished incidentally" (which doesn't clarify individual scale nor if it's done commercially or recreationally, especially when next to "commercial importance") nor mention angling. I can't seem to find the 2.5g weight in ref 11. Ref 16 doesn’t say “the silver porgy is generally standoffish and seldom approaches divers”; while it says “D. argenteus had always been seen in the gulfs”, it doesn’t go beyond only a few year-round divers identifying the species. "Or anything to do with Argentina's etymology" seems so OR-y and debatable; both of them come from the same Latin word.
    • Neutral: Yes
    • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Yes
    • Other problems: No - “fairly high probably” should be “fairly high probability”
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.

    QPQ: No - None provided.
    Overall: Nom four days after creation and size at 3871. There are several sourcing issues you'll have to fix, as well as a QPQ to provide; see above. Also, it would help if you could provide online links to the refs since it'll make the reviewers' jobs better; I had to find some of them myself with the WP:LIBRARY providing access to some of them, and I’ve linked them in the refs. And please refrain from using redundant sources; I only needed 12/13 to verify one of the claims that also had ref 9 attached. ミラP@Miraclepine 22:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I believe I've fixed most of the more pressing issues around left over annotations and poor sourcing. That said, I recognize that there could be a case to be made for OR and have provided an alternative hook, that I am much more in favor of using. In the coming day's I'll probably delete or rewrite problematic areas as I dig up and cross check source problems. Ryan shell (talk) 02:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The most pressing issue is the missing QPQ. They are due at the time of nomination and if it is still missing a week later, the nomination will be rejected. Schwede66 18:30, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Just finished QPQ for the nom of Huang Shaoqiang. Not sure if adding it here will suffice or notRyan shell (talk) 20:05, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ryan shell: While the ALT1 seems boring, I'm fine with ALT0 because the issue I raised was on being related to Argentina's etymology but not Argentina the country. That said, while the gamefish issue has been fixed - I crossed off the ref 16 issue because I put in the wrong ref, silly me - no other issues have been resolved and the article still has unsourced paragraphs. BTW I'm pretty sure it's more convenient to add the QPQ in the "Reviewed" line. ミラP@Miraclepine 15:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @ミラP Mission citations related to the Biology section and fisheries information has been cited. Uncited issue in paragraph four has also been cited. The 'probably' into 'probability' typo has also been corrected. Ryan shell (talk) 20:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ryan shell: Have checked the sources and I can finally approve ALT0. I'm not sure ALT1 is hooky enough though, and even if it is "silver porgies" should be uncapitalized. ミラP@Miraclepine 21:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Smash Hit

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    Improved to Good Article status by Vacant0 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

    Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 11:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Trade Fair Palace

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    Created by CitrusHemlock (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    CitrusHemlock 14:19, 5 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
    • Interesting: Yes
    • Other problems: No - I find ALT0 to be interesting, but I'm not sure on the rest. For ALT1, the reader would have to look up what the Slav Epic is, and for ALT2, this doesn't seem really unusual (either it was rebuilt or it was not).
    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: Epicgenius (talk) 13:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Tonya Burns

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    Created by Sammi Brie (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 711 past nominations.

    Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:36, 5 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Excellent work as usual. Looks good. Approved. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Henry Firth

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    • ... that British conscientious objector Henry Firth died in 1918 while being held at a work camp in Dartmoor?
    • Source: "There was only one other death, during the time of the COs at Dartmoor Work Centre, which was completely unrelated to the flu epidemic. This was the death of Henry Firth, which led to the strike in February 1918 when the COs refused to work so that they could accompany his coffin to the station." from: Barker, Pip (30 June 2021). Princetown and the Conscientious Objectors of WW1. Austin Macauley Publishers. pp. 33–34. ISBN 978-1-3984-1981-0.
    • ALT1: ... that in 1918 conscientious objectors held at a work camp in Dartmoor, England, went on strike so they could accompany the coffin of Henry Firth to the railway station? Source: "There was only one other death, during the time of the COs at Dartmoor Work Centre, which was completely unrelated to the flu epidemic. This was the death of Henry Firth, which led to the strike in February 1918 when the COs refused to work so that they could accompany his coffin to the station." from: Barker, Pip (30 June 2021). Princetown and the Conscientious Objectors of WW1. Austin Macauley Publishers. pp. 33–34. ISBN 978-1-3984-1981-0.
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Shrine of Taharqa
    Created by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 874 past nominations.

    Dumelow (talk) 09:52, 31 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, well-sourced, neutral and plagiarism free (there's one long quote that Earwig picked up & I altered 'contingent' to 'group'). Hooks are both cited, personally I think ALT1 is more interesting, but I leave the choice to the promoter. QPQ is done. Lajmmoore (talk) 20:37, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Deep Cut Gardens

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    Mount Vesuvius replica at Deep Cut Gardens
    Mount Vesuvius replica at Deep Cut Gardens
    Created by FossilDS (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

    FossilDS (talk) 03:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Henry Kailimai

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    • ... that Henry Kailimai and his Hawaiian Quintet were hired by Henry Ford to serve as official musicians for the Ford Motor Company?
    Created by Kimikel (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.

    Kimikel (talk) 00:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Article is new, length and citing are good, copyvio is not positive for plagiarism, and most importantly I really like the hook 🙂 Cheers! Johnson524 02:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Svayamvara

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    The Svayamvara ceremony of princess Damayanti by Warwick Goble, 1913
    The Svayamvara ceremony of princess Damayanti by Warwick Goble, 1913
    • ... that in ancient Indian literature, princesses would select their husbands from a lineup of suitors or through public contests in the distinctive matrimonial tradition called Svayamvara (pictured)?
    • Source: A Dictionary of Hinduism, Oxford Publications "For the daughter of a royal or a kṣatriya family, a way of selecting a husband which takes the form of either of a public contest between her suitors, or an assembly at which the bride-to-be simply chooses between them. Perhaps the best-known instances occur in the Mahābhārata, where Arjuna wins Draupadī by this method, and Damayantī prefers Nala to any of the assembled gods."
    • Brockington, John L (2006). "Epic Svayaṃvaras, Voice of the Orient: a Tribute to Prof. Upendranath Dhal". Academia.edu: 35–42.
    • Reviewed:
    5x expanded by Seyamar (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

    Seyamar(245CMR)💬📜 06:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • : Seems new and long enough, almost entirely written by nominator; I have a few very minor problems with the sourcing that I think can be resolved by just copying some nearby sources, which I tagged: specifically, I think there should be a citation for the 1st paragraph of "Svayamvara in the Rg Veda" and one place in the 1st paragraph of "Damayantī's Svayamvara". Also, I think it would be more clear if the source at the end of the last paragraph of the lead were duplicated to the first two paragraphs as well if it applies to them, and per the DYK guidelines, I think that the source given has to be present at the end of the sentence giving the claim present in the hook. Don't see any neutrality issues. Article is (listing criteria) presentable, image & hook seem good, no other complaints. As for copyvio, not sure what the standards are on manual "spot-checks", so I'm leaving that for a second reviewer. Mrfoogles (talk) 04:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @User:Mrfoogles, done what you have suggested.Seyamar(245CMR)💬📜 06:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    checkY Citation problems seem resolved, all that's left is a copyright check. Mrfoogles (talk) 16:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I was hoping someone else would also double-check my copyright checking (which is done, but I’m new), but that doesn’t seem to be happening anytime soon, so I’ll approve it. Mrfoogles (talk) 14:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Mrfoogles: Is the review completed?Seyamar(245CMR)💬📜 18:26, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The green check in the circle means yes (it's a special DYK one that means it was accepted). Mrfoogles (talk) 18:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    List of chronic pain syndromes

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    • Source: Mostoufi et al. 2020: "Chronic pain is a pain status that persists beyond a reasonable expected healing period for the involved tissue. It is chronic if it persists for 6 months or more despite active treatment. It is called a syndrome because a constellation of symptoms develops in those patients facing chronic pain."
    • ALT1: ... that chronic pain affects approximately 20% of people and accounts for 15-20% of visits to a physician? Source: Treede et al. 2015: "Chronic pain is a frequent condition, affecting an estimated 20% of people worldwide and accounting for 15% to 20% of physician visits."
    • ALT2: ... that in order to create a classification system for chronic pain, the International Association for the Study of Pain (IASP) collaborated with the World Health Organization (WHO) to form a Task Force for the Classification of Chronic Pain?Source: Treede et al. 2015: "Responding to these shortcomings, the International Association for the Study of Pain (IASP) contacted the WHO and established a Task Force for the Classification of Chronic Pain."
    • ALT3: ... that pain is the most common symptom of cancer at the time of diagnosis?Source: Bennett et al. 2019: "Pain is the commonest symptom of cancer at diagnosis and rises in prevalence throughout and beyond cancer treatment."
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: I have a slight preference for the first two hooks but am fine with any of them being used.
    Created by CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

    CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath (talk) 02:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Hi @CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath:. Article is new enough, long enough, well-written and cited. Earwig didn't detect any copyvio. No QPQ needed. The source for each hook checks out. I think ALT1 is the most interesting hook, but the phrasing is a bit awkward and probably hews too close to the source you've given. Might I suggest: ".... that chronic pain syndromes affect approximately 20% of people and account for 15-20% of doctor visits?". Overall, good work. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 14:54, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Tenpop421: I agree alt1 is the most interesting. I really struggled with the wording with that one because MOS:MEDLANG kind of frowns upon using the term "doctor" hence why the sentence is a bit closer to the source than I would usually write. However, I did remove the prevalent condition part cause it's not really needed. Thank you for taking the time to review this! IntentionallyDense (talk) 17:11, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Brilliant. DYK good to go. Tenpop421 (talk) 17:17, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hapa haole music

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    • ... that many hapa haole songs were written by non-Hawaiians and featured nonsensical, faux-Hawaiian lyrics?
    Created by Kimikel (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 15 past nominations.

    Kimikel (talk) 17:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • The second source supports the nonsensical bit, that many were written by non-Hawaiians is cited to an offline source, but makes sense so I will AGF. Seems good to go, well written, new enough, no copyvio PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Joan McIntyre (activist)

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    • ... that activist Joan McIntyre left Friends of the Earth to start her own organization focused on stopping the whaling activities of Japan and Russia?
    Created by Silver seren (talk) and Thriley (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 127 past nominations.

    SilverserenC 23:05, 1 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Silver seren (talk · contribs) and Thriley (talk · contribs), I verified that the article is long enough and that there are no plagiarism concerns through the Copyvios tool and spotchecking.

      Regarding the hook, "Joan And The Whales" says, "She had been special projects coordinator of Friends of the Earth ...". I will take this as verifying that she left Friends of the Earth to start her own organization.

      I checked the Wikipedia article and could not find where it says "left Friends of the Earth to start her own organization". Would you add this to the Wikipedia article or quote the text where it says this in case I missed it? Thank you, Cunard (talk) 09:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I've added that additional note to the sentence about her forming Project Jonah. Good clarification! Thanks, Cunard. SilverserenC 22:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    verified, thank you! Cunard (talk) 07:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Bernlef

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    Saint Ludger heals Bernlef
    Saint Ludger heals Bernlef
    • ... that the Frisian bard Bernlef (pictured) has been suggested as a possible author of the Old Saxon religious poem, the Heliand?
    Created by ThaesOfereode (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

    ThaesOfereode (talk) 00:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Interesting biography about a subject about whom little is known, on fine sources, offline sources accepted AGF. Of the hooks, I like ALT1, because it relates to the image. The image caption can then be shortened, and pictured might come after blindness, because the whole scene is pictured. The image is licensed and illustrates the scene well, but is not ideal in that small size. - I am not sure about Psalms vs. psalms, because afaik it's Psalm 84 when a particular one is meant but otherwise it seems a general term like hymns. This goes also for the article. The sentence with "some debate" has to many some for my taste. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Gerda Arendt: Thanks for the quick review and kind words. I agree that if the image is used, ALT1 makes the most sense; I've changed the caption to simply the English translation of the painting's title and moved "(pictured)" in the hook. I think "Psalm" should be capitalized because it was my understanding that he played the Psalms on the harp, not just Christian hymns, because that was sort of a bardic/skálic tradition to tell stories that way, but it's possible I'm misinterpreting. Sentence with "some" has been fixed; thanks for pointing it out. ThaesOfereode (talk) 16:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for explaining. I think I wasn't clear about Psalms. I'd write "He sang psalms." the same way as I'd write "He sang hymns." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:29, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I see, my fault. I have no idea what, if anything, the MOS dictates for that, but I'm happy to leave it to the promoter to decide what's best. ThaesOfereode (talk) 17:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Betty Brussel

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    • ... that 99 year old swimmer Betty Brussel broke three competitive swimming records on the same day?
    Created by Clovermoss (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

    Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Looks good. Nice work. (And congrats on being the Wikimedian of the Year :)) BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:28, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    WCCN, Wisconsin Pavilion

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    The Wisconsin Pavilion
    The Wisconsin Pavilion
    5x expanded by Sammi Brie (talk) and Epicgenius (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 710 past nominations.

    Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:04, 1 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: I prefer ALT1; not sure the first hook is interesting enough. Important question - I'm not sure if the expansion of the radio station article suffices, as it appears to incorporate through merger what was in another article. A second set of eyes on that issue, or explanation by the nom, would be helpful. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:587E:4EDE:255:173E (talk) 22:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Myvanwy Rhys

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    Created by Manxshearwater (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 100 past nominations.

    Lajmmoore (talk) 20:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: Yes
    • Interesting: No - I’m concerned the hook may not be legible to many readers; I am reasonably interested in related topics and still had not heard of Millicent Fawcett, and the entry does not explain.
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Thank you for nominating this interesting and worthy entry! If I could make one general recommendation for making this important topic more accessible to the non-specialist reader, I think regardless of the hook, the entry could benefit from a few words explaining who Fawcett was, and likewise to explain what the Bangor dispute was (currently it’s a bit mysterious). As to the hook, I wonder if it would be more interesting to say something like:

    Tell me what you think. Innisfree987 (talk) 05:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Pachyballus ornatus

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    • ... that although Pachyballus ornatus is known for its bright pattern, the female is dark and plain while it is still young?

    ALT1:

    • ... that although Pachyballus ornatus is named for its bright pattern, the female is dark and plain while it is still young?
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: An unusual beetle-like jumping spider from Congo and Tanzania.
    5x expanded by Simongraham (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    simongraham (talk) 18:41, 5 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Pete Wade

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    • Source: "Wade moved to Nashville in 1954. The guitarist made the trip on a bus with $3, his suitcase, and two ham sandwiches. (He forgot his sandwiches on the bus.) He had telephone numbers for Don Helms and Jerry Rivers, musicians in Hank Williams’ band."
    American Songwriter
    Converted from a redirect by Thriley (talk), OIM20 (talk), and Blaylockjam10 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 141 past nominations.

    Thriley (talk) 03:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Hi Thriley, review follows: article created from redirect on 2 September and exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable sources; I didn't pick up any issues with overly close paraphrasing in a spot check on sources I could access; a QPQ has been carried out; hook fact is interesting, mentioned in the article and checks out to source cited. Article has appeared at ITN but as a recent death so is still eligible for DYK. Looks fine to me - Dumelow (talk) 10:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Wigwam (Welsh band)

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    Wigwam in 2018
    Wigwam in 2018
    • ... that Wigwam (pictured) formed four days before their first concert?
    • Source: Y Selar, issue 54 (August 2018), page 11 - "Nathon ni ffurfio pedwar diwrnod cyn ein gig cyntaf achos odd angen band arall i chwara' set [...] yng Nghlwb Ifor Bach blwyddyn dwetha." ("We formed four days before our first gig because another band was needed to play a set [...] in Clwb Ifor Bach last year.")
    • ALT1: ... that Wigwam (pictured) only formed to play a single concert, but have been performing together for seven years? Source: Same source as ALT0 ("last year" in that context is 2017, so it's been seven years) + "Drymiwr Wigwam yn bencampwr dawnsio’r byd" - "I ddechrau, jyst i wneud one-off gig oedd o. [...] Gwnaethon ni benderfynu cario ymlaen, dal ati gydag ymarfer, wedyn gwnaethon ni ddechrau ysgrifennu cerddoriaeth efo’n gilydd. Erbyn hyn, rydym wedi rhyddhau albwm a phedair sengl." ("At the start, it was just to do a one-off gig. [...] We decided to carry on, kept practicing, then we started writing music together. By now, we've released an album and four singles.")
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ron Tiavaasue
    Created by Suntooooth (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

    Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 23:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • The article was long enough and new enough at the time of the nomination. I did not find any close paraphrasing, and the article is properly sourced. I am assuming good faith for the sources as they are in Welsh, although for DYK purposes the provided translations above should be fine. A QPQ has been done. I'm approving only the original hook as it's shorter, snappier, and probably more intriguing. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:56, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Narutolovehinata5: Thank you for the review! But I'm not sure why you've specifically approved only one hook when there's nothing actually wrong with the other one - surely it's up to the prep builders to choose which hook is more interesting. (I say this because I think ALT1 is a little more interesting personally, and is in a pretty common hook style.) Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 15:30, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    While I thought ALT1 was also a surprising and interesting hook, I thought the fact about them being formed four days before the gig, as opposed to simply being intended to be a one-time thing, was more unusual and eye-catching. In addition, it's also a shorter hook and arguably punchier. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:56, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Yang Pao-an

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    Yang Pao-an
    Yang Pao-an
    Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 678 past nominations.

     — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: @Crisco 1492: Hi Chris! Overall, this is a well-sourced and well-written article. It was submitted on the day it was created, so it is new enough. Earwig also shows that the article is copyvio free. However, I have some concerns about the hook. I do not find it particularly interesting, and the reason for Yang's execution is not clearly conveyed. The People's Daily source cited in this nomination mentions that Chiang Kai-shek personally called Yang before ordering his execution, which is a much clearer and more interesting detail for a hook in my opinion. But this is just a suggestion for possible amendments to the hook, and it is not compulsory. If the nominator prefers to keep the current hook, that is perfectly fine with me as well. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 14:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • Hi Prince of Erebor. That tidbit is mentioned in several of the sources. However, given that they are all state media, and their likelihood of being non-neutral in detailing Chiang Kai-shek, I'm a bit iffy reporting it as objective fact (I think at least one mentions that he basically threw the phone in response). I can add a few lines making it clear that this comes from a state source, then we can do an ALT. Let me revisit the sources. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:04, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT2 ... that Chiang Kai-shek was reported to have ordered the execution of Yang Pao'an (pictured) after the latter threw a phone against a wall?
    ALT3 ... that Yang Pao'an (pictured) refused to forsake the Chinese Communist Party, reportedly even after a personal telephone call from generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek ?


    @Crisco 1492: Thanks for your swift reply and update! It is true that state media should not be taken at face value, but it appears that all the other sources cited in the Later years and death section, such as China Daily and The Paper, are also state-owned, leaving us with limited options. Perhaps we could consider ALT3, as it seems to address concerns about neutrality and skepticism regarding the details of the supposed private conversation between Chiang and Yang?
    I think it is ready to go now! —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 17:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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