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2002 Mexican Figure Skating Championships

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Non-notable figure skating competition. Recommend deletion or redirect to New Mexican Figure Skating Championships. I will attach all subsequent competitions in this series shortly. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Here is my problem with these stand-alone articles. All four disciplines are often not contested. There are often not enough competitors to award a bronze medal, and in some cases, even a silver medal. Many of these competitions featured no more than two or three participants. And most of the competitors who are listed are redlinked or unlinked (ie. themselves not notable). The competition results and scores are included (or should be included) on a skaters' individual article. The medal results are included on the parent article (in this case, Mexican Figure Skating Championships). But these nations with small national championships are just not worth trying to maintain individual articles for each competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - Non-notable competitions that are poorly sourced too. All should be deleted. Morogris (✉ • ✎) 19:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1999–2000 New Zealand Figure Skating Championships

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Non-notable figure skating competition. Recommend deletion or redirect to New Zealand Figure Skating Championships. I will attach all subsequent competitions in this series shortly. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Here is my problem with these stand-alone articles. All four disciplines are often not contested. There are often not enough competitors to award a bronze medal, and in some cases, even a silver medal. Many of these competitions featured no more than two or three participants. And most of the competitors who are listed are redlinked or unlinked (ie. themselves not notable). The competition results and scores are included (or should be included) on a skaters' individual article. The medal results are included on the parent article (in this case, New Zealand Figure Skating Championships). But these nations with small national championships are just not worth trying to maintain individual articles for each competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2001 Croatian Figure Skating Championships

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Non-notable figure skating competition. Recommend deletion or redirect to Croatian Figure Skating Championships. I will attach all subsequent competitions in this series shortly. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:56, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Here is my problem with these stand-alone articles. All four disciplines are often not contested. There are often not enough competitors to award a bronze medal, and in some cases, even a silver medal. And most of the competitors who are listed are redlinked or unlinked (ie. themselves not notable). The competition results and scores are included (or should be included) on a skaters' individual article. The medal results are included on the parent article (in this case, Croatian Figure Skating Championships). But these nations with small national championships are just not worth trying to maintain individual articles for each competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:00, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge and Redirect per nominator. A glance at the pages shows that they are too unsubstantial for individual pages. Madeleine (talk) 21:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2029 ICC Champions Trophy

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This is rather supposed to be a redirect but checking the history will tell you that there are editors who keeps reverting the restoration of the redirect, the very last restoration of redirect was done by me and mine was just reverted by the same user. This is way WP:TOOSOON to qualify for a standalone page right now. Fails WP:GNG, etc. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:14, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: WP:TOOSOON; Draftify at least. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 08:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as WP:TOOSOON. I oppose moving to draftspace, as draftspace is not an indefinite holding area, and it will be 2+ years (probably longer) until more information is known. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: I don’t see WP:TOOSOON is a valid reason for deletion in this instance. According to WP:FUTURE, notable and highly likely future events should be included (such as 2032 Summer Olympics). Given that the venue has already been confirmed, the article could simply be updated or moved after the 2025 edition concludes or closer to that time and so I strongly oppose deletion.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 09:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:TOOSOON. Way down in the future for year 2029 and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, nor is it a collection of unverifiable content. RangersRus (talk) 04:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2030 in sports

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Declined PROD. Page was created too soon. List is completely unsourced and contains only one single entry. Almost eligible for speedy deletion under criterion A3. CycloneYoris ^talk! 00:46, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, it's not even a complete list and way too soon. I agree this could be speedy deleted. Esolo5002 (talk) 05:25, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak keep – I added events from Category:2030 in sports, which brought it up to eight entries. At the very least it's definitely not eligible for speedy deletion anymore. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Lorstaking (talk) 07:28, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:TOOSOON. Procyon117 (talk) 08:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Absolutely WP:TOOSOON. This page won't have use for at least another couple of years. Beachweak (talk) 12:04, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. We should stamp out the perceived need to create articles more than half a decade ahead of its time. Wikipedia does not hold a contest for fastest creation of articles. More articles on future or even current events need to develop in draft space first, that what is the case today. Geschichte (talk) 12:24, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep and draft: Articles will be needed in the future, it can be moved to draft space where it can develop until a point it is suitable for the main space. Mn1548 (talk) 09:43, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mn1548: Drafts can only be stored for up to six months, according to WP:DRAFT, so sending this to draft space makes absolutely no sense. Considering that there isn't any content worth preserving, and the page can be easily recreated in the future. CycloneYoris ^talk! 06:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a fair point. On second thoughts, my usual objections to deleteing articles that will be notable in the future regarding keeping the article as a source library doesn't apply in this case as such sources will be more available closer to the time for this article. A preference for draft is still here, but no objection to deletion. Mn1548 (talk) 14:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Britishisation

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The term looks made up, and seems to be OR, we also have other articles (even linked here) for much of this. Slatersteven (talk) 14:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The title of the article can be changed to a more neutral wording, such as "British influence on the world".

In my view, duplicated information is not a sufficient reason to delete this article. British influences on the world have taken place both before and after the British Empire, so having some kind of dedicated resource to discuss this seems fair, and the current Legacy of the British Empire link goes only to a relatively short section in the British Empire article, which is insufficient to communicate the full impact of British influence, as well as implicitly colouring to some extent the overall British impact in more of a Imperial-political light, rather than giving a wholly global overview. In general, it should be possible to learn (or at least be linked to) the same information from different articles on Wikipedia, as this allows for a more comprehensive coverage of any one given topic while still showing the linkages between various topics. Also, there are articles discussing many other forms of -"-isations", such as Americanisation or Croatisation, so having one for a prolifically influential country like Britain seems paramount. GreekApple123 (talk) 15:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Looks like OR - a synthesis of material from different articles and separate sources to imply a singular trend. If it was notable as an academic or popular concept there would be plenty of sources supporting it. Wiki-Ed (talk) 11:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ Fails WP:SYNTH, redundant to Anglicisation. 🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 13:05, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It might be possible to merge (potentially without a redirect) to anglicisation. GreekApple123 (talk) 14:21, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah makes sense. Changing my vote to merge all salvageable content as Anglicisation is woefully incomplete. 🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 21:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

58 Seconds

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Fails WP:NFILM; there's nothing from a cursory search to also substantiate notability. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:56, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Why is this sorted in Television-related AfDs? I don't think this is a TV production. -Mushy Yank. 12:49, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. Was unable to find any online sources about this film. As it stands, it fails WP:NFILM. Though, part of me wonders if there are any offline sources considering the film was made in 1964; if there are multiple reliable sources covering this film from something like a newspaper then I would consider keeping it. Beachweak (talk) 10:18, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as it is the first and noted film of a notable director (https://nfi.hu/en/core-films-1/films-3/documentaries-1/58-seconds.html) (see NFIC: involves a notable person and is a major part of their career) A Redirect to Lívia Gyarmathy#Filmography, a standard alternative to deletion when the director is notable and has a page on this WP, seems warranted anyway [edited after having improved the page]. -Mushy Yank. 12:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 10:09, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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American football

Alabama–Penn State football rivalry

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Matchup has only been played 15 times ever; only twice this millennium _pbp 22:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify a concern above, the crux of this article isn't really GNG, it's more UNDUE, and the general idea that "does this topic warrant a stand-alone article?" I think there's a clear consensus that we DON'T need an article about every pair of teams that have played 15 times; even though each of those are likely to pass GNG because every football game played in the past few decades has a few newspaper or online articles written about it. Also relevant is NOTINHERITED; just because the Alabama and Penn State football teams are notable doesn't mean they meeting is too. _pbp 20:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources posted in this discussion establish that the rivalry is notable outside of the teams individual notabilities as they discuss the rivalry itself in detail. The wast majority of team matchups in sports are not considered anything special and do not get significant coverage written about them. This one does. Alvaldi (talk) 21:19, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep nomination does not address any policy rationale as to why this should be deleted, a very similar problem that this article's second AfD had six years ago. That AfD was a unanimous keep, as was the first one, and I'm not sure that anything has changed to overturn the prior overwhelming consensus. The fact that the teams have played "only twice this millennium" is entirely irrelevant to the notability of the article as notability is not temporary. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:31, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The thing that has changed since the first two AfDs is that we have tightened standards on what constitutes a true rivalry. If we are simply judging whether is a true "rivalry", I think the answer is "no". At the prior AfD, I noted: "Personally, I don't this is a 'rivalry' at all. There's no geographic tie, no regularity of play or scheduling, no fan base hatred, etc." I voted to "keep" because I have long believed that historically significant series can be notable ever where they are not true rivalries. My view on that point has not gained a lot of traction. Cbl62 (talk) 23:54, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Outside of the single decade (1981-90) when Alabama and Penn State played regular-season games every year, they have only met five times (1959, 1975, 1979, 2010, and 2011). I think this is really stretching the bounds of what can be considered either a rivalry or a notable series. With the expanded playoffs, it will become increasingly common for major programs like these to meet more frequently. This is probably setting a precedent to include yet more "non-rivalry" rivalries just because there are a couple of pregame articles hyping to the series as a rivalry. Cbl62 (talk) 00:17, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If several independent and reliable sources significantly cover series of matchups between two teams as a rivalry over a significant period of time, as is the case here, then I see no problem having an article on said rivalry. Alvaldi (talk) 09:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep like PCN02WPS said, there is no policy reason stated to delete. Just because the rivalry hasn't been played recently doesn't mean GNG hasn't been passed. Article has sources from local newspapers, non-local newspapers, ESPN, AP. Esb5415 (talk) (C) 00:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just because GNG has been passed doesn't necessarily merit a STAND-ALONE article _pbp 20:55, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a really difficult one, because sources say it's a rivalry, but it's also not a rivalry. Instead they had one famous bowl game followed by a 10 years when they played each other where both teams were really good, leading some sportswriters to call it a rivalry, but many others such as [1], [2] and [3], [4] don't. I think the question really is - can a group of games between two teams be notable for reasons other than being a rivalry? Because this might get this article to a keep and move, but I'm not sure what a better title would be. If not, delete. SportingFlyer T·C 00:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Plenty of teams have played each other many times over the years, but that doesn't make it a rivalry. There is nothing of substance in this article that indicates why anyone should care about the fact that they've played each other, just a list of match-ups, indicating it's WP:SYNTH – no indication it's "historically significant." Reywas92^Talk 03:02, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:GNG. Personal opinions of individual editors on whether this should be called a rivalry or not are irrelevant as there are several significant sources that speak of this as a rivalry, including Bama, PSU rivalry back after 20 years, Alabama, Penn State Renew Rivalry Of Respect, Intersectional rivalries becoming distant and Alabama-PSU rivalry has produced classic moments Alvaldi (talk) 09:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But there's also many sources which don't. That's exactly the problem with this - "rivalry" gets thrown around a lot in American sports journalism without actually referring to what would be considered an actual rivalry. SportingFlyer T·C 14:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Several significant sources discussing their matchups clearly describe this as a rivalry and it easily passes WP:GNG. We do not ignore such significant coverage just because we can find some sources that don't mention the word rivalry in them. And it may not be much of a rivalry today but notability is not temporary. Alvaldi (talk) 15:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
GNG doesn't automatically mean STAND-ALONE article. Just because the Alabama and Penn State football teams are notable doesn't mean they meeting is too _pbp 20:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But the history of their meetings, i.e. their rivalry, has received enough significant coverage to pass WP:GNG and thus is suitable for a stand-alone article. Alvaldi (talk) 21:14, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per @Alvaldi's argument. In my opinion, the rivalry has enough coverage to demand its own page. Madeleine (talk) 20:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of NFL quarterbacks by teams beaten

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Does not pass WP:NLIST from my perspective, and comes across as WP:Fancruft/trivia. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:02, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Article literally copies off one source to present the information, and this is usually only a headline superlative rather than something really followed closely. Nate • (chatter) 17:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes NLIST. [5][6][7][8][9] ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Seems to be a copy of a single source, and is arbitrarily cut off at "all teams but four". PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Clarityfiend's merge proposal also sounds very reasonable to me, so I'd be cool with either. No opinion on how much the list should be trimmed if we ultimately go with merge. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep if renamed List of NFL quarterbacks who have beaten every team in the league and trimmed. (Also remove the criterion "beaten every team he faced at least once", which is just made up.) It satisfies NLIST, but only for every team, not every team but n (n=1, 2, 3, etc.). This is a rare achievement which requires a QB to go to another team and then beat his former team. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:16, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Alternatively merge to List of NFL individual records#Quarterback wins, but just the half dozen QBs who have done it all. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:26, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I'd support a trim and merge. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I personally don't believe the list should be trimmed to just those six players. The sources discuss a lot more players than just those six. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to trim list, it should include the six who beat all teams plus the qbs who stayed with one team throughout their career and beat all other teams (Bradshaw, Elway, ect.) Spparky (talk) 20:17, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the sources that support this addition? I don't see any. (The closest I can find is that Mahomes is the youngest to beat all 31 other teams, and that's a different kettle of fish.) Otherwise, this is just an unwarranted stretching of the boundary. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:38, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trim and merge to List of NFL individual records#Quarterback wins. Specifically, I would add a bullet for those retired QBs who have beaten all but one team if they spent their entire career with one team. This would remove Ken Stabler, Alex Smith and Kerry Collins because they played for multiple teams. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 20:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kerry Collins is listed in three of the sources above though. Here is an excerpt: "Oddly, one other quarterback, Kerry Collins, beat 31 teams, but the team Collins never beat, the Dolphins, wasn’t one of the teams he played for. Collins actually started against the Dolphins four times while playing for four different teams, but lost all four games." ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I find it more notable that a QB spent their entire career with one team and beat every other team in the league (31/31) than being traded and still not beating every team in the league (31/32). Collins wouldn't be on the list of "all but one" if he had never been traded since he never beat the Dolphins. In the end, that will be a decision to be made by the closing administrator. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 20:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You may find it more WP:interesting, but that's not what Wikipedia is based on. Sources! Where are your sources? Clarityfiend (talk) 10:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If sources were the only criterion, then we would have hundreds of times more articles than we do now. I was featured in my hometown newspapers covering my Eagle Scout project, so should I have a Wikipedia article? The answer is no, because I do not meet WP:GNG despite the fact I can provide sources. At what point do we stop adding names to these lists? Your argument, to me, seems more along the lines of WP:ILIKEIT than putting forward any policy-based or guideline-based argument. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 19:15, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your example, an article in a local paper about a local person/event, does not qualifiy as a Wikipedial source. You are confusing verifiability with notability. [Pet peeve alert: Why do you and others keep typing "::*:", "*::", etc., when the asterisk does nothing unless it is at the end?] Clarityfiend (talk) 09:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Clarityfiend: You asked about my sources, so I provided a hypothetical to show that I can find sources for someone not notable (I specifically said I do not meet GNG). In reference to the pet peeve, I'm not typing the colons and asterisks. That is Wikipedia's "Reply" function probably just adding a colon to the end of whatever indenting text already exists. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 23:06, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports writers have written about QBs with wins against all teams as a group (I'm stretching just to include the two who beat the 28 then-existing teams), as demonstrated by WikiOriginal-9. None have written about all but one, with or without weird qualifiers/conditions, as a group (sorry, Collins). Clarityfiend (talk) 04:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This has enough discussion in secondary sources to allow us to have an article on it. The issues above all seem like editing issues, not notability issues. SportingFlyer T·C 20:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Trim and merge per Clarityfiend. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:FANCRUFT WP:NOTSTATS. Excessive niche statscruft sourced by a single outlet. Ajf773 (talk) 22:22, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sourcing currently in the article is an editing issue, there are plenty of different sources above. SportingFlyer T·C 04:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Four of five of WikiOriginal-9's sources above discuss these "32-win" QBs as a group, so NLIST is satisfied. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, there is only one source currently in the article, and it's a database website, but this is clearly notable. The editing just needs to be cleaned up. Other sources include [10] [11] SportingFlyer T·C 04:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The souces provided in this discussion, particularly the CBS Sports, NBC Sports, and Sporting News articles each cover the list as a grouping for WP:NLIST to be met. Let'srun (talk) 20:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carson Vinson

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I am struggling to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject to meet WP:GNG. Most of the sources available contain routine coverage of an invite to a college all-star game, with a notable exception being this piece from Alabama News Center, which has maybe a half-dozen sentences of independent coverage of the subject. JTtheOG (talk) 05:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@JTtheOG: The piece you linked (here) is a feature story (6,000+ characters) about Vinson. It's clearly SIGCOV. Do you disagree? This one also appears to be SIGCOV. It's pretty rare for offensive tackles to receives this level of coverage. Cbl62 (talk) 21:52, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While a closer count yields closer to 10 sentences of coverage of the subject (most is quotes), the site itself seems to be some sort of corporate newsletter for Alabama Power, directly describing themselves as "one of several ways [the company] communicates with and advertises to its customers". They also have a section titled allegations of media manipulation on their WP article, but regardless, I do believe that this questionable source + six sentences of coverage of the subject in the AL.com article – which ends with an link to buy tickets to the game and a note that the site "may receive compensation" if you purchase a product through links on their site – at least warrants a discussion. Biographies, but BLPs especially, require strong sourcing. JTtheOG (talk) 23:03, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the two articles cited in the article, I would say (i) the depth is there in both cases to consitute WP:SIGCOV, (ii) such depth is rare for offensive linemen (especially at non-majors), (iii) AL.com (Alabama's largest media outlet) doesn't fail WP:INDY just because the article provides a link allowing readers to purchase tickets to the Senior Bowl, an annual collegiate all-star game that is played in Mobile, and (iv) I don't see any COI in the piece from Alabama News Center, since there is no connection (unless I'm missing it) between Vinson and the utility company that funds the outlet. Cbl62 (talk) 06:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Simply put, a corporate newsletter with no published editorial policy or staff page from an energy company with a shady recent history of media manipulation doesn't strike me as a reliable source to report on college football, especially as the main piece of SIGCOV on a BLP. JTtheOG (talk) 07:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how you can call it "a corporate newsletter". It is a news website owned by a public utility company. While unusual, this is unfortunately an era in which corporate/billionaire ownership of media (including The Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, etc.) has become increasingly common. I don't believe that such ownership taints all of a media outlet's coverage. Clearly, any coverage of the owner's other business interests would involve a conflict of interest and thus be non-independent. However, as stated above, there's no conflict here with reportage on a local college athlete. Even if that were a problem, there's coverage in multiple other media outlets, including those set forth below. Cbl62 (talk) 13:50, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, it’s a matter of reliability not COI. A company’s media wing is not the same thing as a newspaper of record owned by a billionaire. JTtheOG (talk) 18:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~. See the points raised above. Also, his notability is supported by being the first player from an HBCU ever selected for the honor of playing in the Senior Bowl. In addition to the two SIGCOV sources already cited in the article, there are others. E.g., (3) this from SI.com focusing of Vinson being the first HBCU player selected to play in the Senior Bowl (quite a historic honor), (4) a six-minute piece from Fox 54 (here) focusing on the historic nature of Vinson's selection for the Senior Bowl, (5) this piece from WHNT Huntsville, and to a lesser extent (6) this from SI.com rating him one of the top offensive tackles in FCS and (7) this rating him as one of the top three HBCU football players. All said, I think it's enough to pass our GNG standard. Cbl62 (talk) 06:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment He's not actually the first HBCU player ever selected to the Senior Bowl. There have probably been a lot. Those sources just mean he's the first one (and possibly only one) this year. This additional source about Vinson says "Pro Football Hall of Famer John Stallworth, an Alabama A&M legend and 1974 Senior Bowl alum, was on hand to deliver the invitation." Stallworth was a HBCU Senior Bowl selection in 1974. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks WikiO. That's helpful and makes Vinson's selection less impressive. I'd probably lean more toward Draftify or a weak keep in that case. Cbl62 (talk) 18:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning Keep, per Cbl62. Probably has enough coverage, especially since it's rare for low-level FCS offensive tackles to receive much coverage at all. (Also, WikiOriginal-9 is correct regarding HBCU players at the Senior Bowl. He's the only one this year, not ever, although it looks like there's only been one other across the 2022-25 Bowls per AL.com, so still pretty rare.) BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:44, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Draftify makes sense as well per Cbl62 – given that he was selected to the Senior Bowl, there's a decent chance he could be chosen in the upcoming 2025 NFL draft (in the Alabama News Center article, his coach said that "He's had every NFL team come and look at him this year – He's gonna get drafted in this year's draft".) BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:46, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete the sourcing here isn't enough to keep this as a stand-alone article. I will admit I'm not entirely sure how to assess the notability of the article written by the power company's newsletter, but even then the other articles are transactional. I have no problem with draftifying this if other sources are found. SportingFlyer T·C 02:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No valid secondary sourcing to prove WP:GNG.TitCrisse (talk) 03:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There appears to be a lack of WP:SIGCOV from reliable, secondary sources discussing the subject in depth to meet the WP:GNG. The newsletter doesn't appear to be independent and I don't see anything better. Let'srun (talk) 20:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Julian Humphrey

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Draftify as I am struggling to find much of any in-depth coverage of the subject, failing WP:GNG. Despite the WP:REFBOMB, everything that comes up is basic coverage of either his college commitment (or de-commitment) or his transfer to another school, with some quotes and stats sprinkled in. This is what we would call "routine transactional announcements" in other sports. JTtheOG (talk) 04:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. There appears be coverage with real depth. E.g., (1) part one/part two, (2) part one/part two, and (3) this. Cbl62 (talk) 14:44, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (I was pinged by the article creator, but I was already planning on participating). Cbl62's coverage looks sufficient. Also, I don't buy the "routine" argument – if someone receives SIGCOV for e.g. transferring, then that's SIGCOV in accordance with GNG, especially if it's national-level coverage like we have here. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:55, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I personally don't think he should be notable enough for Wikipedia - the sources presented are all essentially "he transferred, then he didn't" and are arguably primary, and I only see one source which goes into how he played as opposed to where he signed and it's local, but the sources above go into enough detail about him that it's hard to argue they don't pass GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 20:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Not enough secondary sourcing to prove WP:GNG.TitCrisse (talk) 03:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:GNG with the coverage shown by Cbl62 and the one already in the article. Please note that the locality of the sources have no relevance to the subjects notability. Alvaldi (talk) 14:43, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Coverage from Cbl62 appears to be sufficient enough to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 20:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Simpsons Funday Football

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One-off program lacking in non-routine coverage. Could redirect or merge to Monday Night Football#2024 summary as an WP:ATD. Esolo5002 (talk) 20:08, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge: to the Monday Night Football article. It's gotten about as much coverage as the Toy Story version (that was quickly forgotten), this would likely be headed in the same direction. Oaktree b (talk) 21:07, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to ~~Monday Night Football#2024 summary~~ESPN Megacast#Funday Football. A single line explaining how it went is fine enough. I'd also be open to eventually having a list of these types of >games, List of animated NFL games or similar. Conyo14 (talk) 23:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Not surprised to see this nomination, but I don't think we're going to see a delete here since trying to get a Simpsons subject matter article removed/redirected...well, I think we all know how hard that is (see how we're still trying to get action on two-review sourced Family Guy episode articles from seasons ago even now). We really need to create an article that sums up NFL alternate broadcasts (including the Nickelodeon versions) that will properly catalog them in an appropriate way. Placing this in the MNF article as a sentence I don't think is an elegant solution (the Toy Story broadcast was a one-off of an international NFL game on Sunday morning while this was clearly upfront much more). Nate • (chatter) 23:34, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To me I think it’s best to merge with Manningcast since it’s considered as a MNF alternative broadcast) since we can just make another paragraph in listing and mentioning both the Toy Story and Simpsons funday football there Hoopstercat (talk) 19:13, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Does it have anything to do with Manningcast though? SportingFlyer T·C 19:45, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, it is not part of the Manningcast. Such content is on ESPN Megacast#Funday Football instead. Zzyzx11 (talk) 16:12, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge worth mentioning somewhere here, but it's new and currently falls afoul of WP:NOTNEWS. SportingFlyer T·C 00:30, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, fails WP:NSPORTSEVENT at this time. Hatman31 (he/him · talk · contribs) 17:51, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting that I think the better target would be the appropriate section of the ESPN Megacast article, which it seems more relevant to than the general MNF page. Hatman31 (he/him · talk · contribs) 07:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to ESPN Megacast#Funday Football instead. Editors are welcome to improve that article. In any case, we should treat the concept of ESPN Megacasts/alternative broadcasts as a series that does not merit standalone articles to individual episodes/broadcasts. Zzyzx11 (talk) 16:12, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per the above Andre🚐 03:02, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which one? There are two targets being suggested. Conyo14 (talk) 06:12, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to either target, I slightly prefer ESPN Megacast#Funday Football. The important thing is that this separate article is not needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:20, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per many users above. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:57, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment, after reviewing this I also agree that ESPN Megacast#Funday Football is probably a slightly better merge target than my previous proposal. Esolo5002 (talk) 06:54, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That also seems the best merge target to me. SportingFlyer T·C 02:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I agree. Conyo14 (talk) 22:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with ESPN Megacast#Funday Football: Not enough lasting coverage for this to have a standalone article. Merge any info not already in the parent article as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 20:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Marcus Wilson (basketball)

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Prolific high school/college basketball player fails WP:NHOOPS. Page is an absolute mess and was likely created as promotional material by an WP:SPA. Novemberjazz 18:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:NHOOPS. --NoonIcarus (talk) 20:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep a quick search found some references, more can be found more than likely given his collegiate career. Article needs cleanup, but deletion is not cleanup.Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 20:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Was a notable college basketball player. Passes WP:GNG with coverage such as Award is 'big deal' to Wilson, Speaking in tounges, Marcus Wilson is on quite a roll - so UE is, too, South Bend's own on call...while Wilson hopes for best and Numbers adding up to Evansville guard.Alvaldi (talk) 21:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I think he meets notability just enough, but the article itself is in desperate need of an overhaul as it’s badly written and full of puffery inflating his accomplishments. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 21:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. He passes GNG. The article feels a bit promotional but the subject himself is notable. SportsGuy789 (talk) 22:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Problems with the article aside, the subject pretty easily passes GNG as a former conference player of the year. JTtheOG (talk) 22:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - He was notable as a star basketball player and refs on the article and in this discussion show it. The article seriously needs cleanup though. Looks like an IP refocused the article and deleted some refs in 2021, maybe Wilson himself. Rikster2 (talk) 12:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above, though agreed that the article needs major cleanup as it reads like a press conference, so an editor could go and blow it up and start over if necessary. Madeleine (talk) 20:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sources already provided in this deletion discussion appear to be sufficient to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 21:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2023 NBA In-Season Tournament championship game

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Non-notable tournament final that is lacking in serious coverage of the game itself. Could be covered sufficiently at 2023 NBA In-Season Tournament. In its current form, the article really isn't more than a simple summary of the game. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with 2023 NBA In-Season Tournament per nomination. Alvaldi (talk) 07:04, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Firstly, the tournament is notable due to its extensive media coverage, high viewership, substantial incentives, and official recognition as a major event by the NBA itself. Secondly, the coverage of the final is on par with other significant championship games, such as the 2024 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championship Game, 2024 NBA Finals and MLS Cup 2024. Lastly, the page offers more than just a game summary; it includes detailed information about the rosters, pre-game context, and the aftermath. H-Hurry (talk) 07:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge I don't understand this pathology to create articles for individual games when the main article can cover it just fine. Most of this page is duplicative of the tournament pages, and other details like the aftermath are welcome to be added there. Reywas92^Talk 14:46, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Rlendog (talk) 15:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with 2023 NBA In-Season Tournament per WP:NOPAGE guideline:
Sometimes, a notable topic can be covered better as part of a larger article, where there can be more complete context that would be lost on a separate page
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Merge per others, to 2023 NBA In-Season Tournament. Conyo14 (talk) 06:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jaime Franklin

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No indepth coverage from reliable third party sources. GRuban (talk) 21:30, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let me rephrase, since it didn't seem to be clear. Not just no indepth coverage in the article; none to be found. I did look. --GRuban (talk) 12:40, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This may need attention from people with more knowledge of bodybuilding competition. This person does show up on sites about competitive bodybuilding—a news hit appears to verify her placement in 2003 and 2004 "Figure Olympia" competitions, though in this article they are listed as "Arnold Figure". Her name also appeared on other sites related to bodybuilding, though I did not investigate them thoroughly. I did not find any book hits, but I was not certain of the best search formula, and may have missed something.

Although my search results were minimal, I am also concerned that the nominator said nothing about attempting to find reliable searches before nominating the article for deletion, which is expected by WP:BEFORE. Since at least some sources are out there, and local news is not always easy to find, I would like to know that someone with more expertise in the subject has tried to find material that could be cited here. P Aculeius (talk) 11:52, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that could have been ambiguous so I clarified above. I did try, and while I'm no expert in the subject, I have been here for 15 years so consider myself reasonably good at finding sources in general. But if someone can find sources that I didn't, I would be only too happy; I far prefer improving articles to deleting them. --GRuban (talk) 12:45, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for that. Since all I found was a handful of mentions on bodybuilding sites, with nothing particularly substantial, I'll just leave that if it helps anyone who knows where else to look before this article is deleted. Obviously, if the article is deleted first, there would be no objection to recreating it if adequate coverage to demonstrate notability turns up later. P Aculeius (talk) 13:26, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No valid secondary sources to prove WP:GNG.TitCrisse (talk) 02:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ankur Malik

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This subject fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, the sources that mention him are poor and do not provide WP:SIGCOV. Nxcrypto Message 07:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Lack of significant coverage, fails WP:GNG. Robo^Cric Let's chat 11:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2029 ICC Champions Trophy

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This is rather supposed to be a redirect but checking the history will tell you that there are editors who keeps reverting the restoration of the redirect, the very last restoration of redirect was done by me and mine was just reverted by the same user. This is way WP:TOOSOON to qualify for a standalone page right now. Fails WP:GNG, etc. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:14, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: WP:TOOSOON; Draftify at least. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 08:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as WP:TOOSOON. I oppose moving to draftspace, as draftspace is not an indefinite holding area, and it will be 2+ years (probably longer) until more information is known. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: I don’t see WP:TOOSOON is a valid reason for deletion in this instance. According to WP:FUTURE, notable and highly likely future events should be included (such as 2032 Summer Olympics). Given that the venue has already been confirmed, the article could simply be updated or moved after the 2025 edition concludes or closer to that time and so I strongly oppose deletion.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 09:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:TOOSOON. Way down in the future for year 2029 and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, nor is it a collection of unverifiable content. RangersRus (talk) 04:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saurashtra Premier League

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Not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:48, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Saurashtra Cricket Association: The governing body is a decent target for those searching for information on this league, and has some degree of notability; this league can be a subsection of that (currently very short) article. Recon rabbit 17:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Caribbean Twenty20

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Not enough coverage on independent reliable sources for any of these articles; all of them fail WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Also, nominated the season articles. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:14, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all. Major T20 domestic competition of an ICC Full Member. AA (talk) 21:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all per AA. St Anselm (talk) 14:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2021–22 Women's T20 Cup

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~~Not enough coverage for a separate season article; should be merged back to the parent article. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:40, 18 December 2024 (UTC)~~ — Not enough coverage on independent reliable sources for both articles; both fail WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete As per nom Shrug02 (talk) 00:01, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sahara Elite League

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Not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 10:46, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Very minor tournament which was only played once and lacks significant coverage. Shrug02 (talk) 00:03, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per nom. Minor tournament, lacking widespread coverage. AA (talk) 21:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

East African Premier League

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Not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 10:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete As per nom. Shrug02 (talk) 00:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per nom. Minor tournament lacking widespread coverage. AA (talk) 21:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete minor event that doesn't pass WP:GNG. ~~•~

Abu Dhabi T20 Trophy

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Not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:09, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of men's footballers with the most official appearances (including youth internationals & reserves)

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duplicate of the article List of men's footballers with the most official appearances, except it also goes against a consensus sought at that article to exclude youth football and non-competitive games. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 16:56, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alex Culwell

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this American soccer player. All I found was coverage from his high school career (1 and 2). JTtheOG (talk) 21:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Those newspapers only feature the person in images. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Charis Fourkiotis

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His 46 minutes of professional football is, at best, a weak presumption of notability. My searches didn't yield any WP:SPORTBASIC coverage. Elassona News has an announcement about him which is only 2 sentences long. Larissa Net mentions him once. AELOle has a transfer announcement which is copied from his club's website. There is no good coverage in WP:RS as far as I can see. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no significant coverage in Greek media

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Delete. By the way I'm pretty sure Super League 2 stopped being fully professional after COVID. The league was expanded from 12 to a whopping 34 teams, and with diminutive match attendance in several arenas. Geschichte (talk) 20:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 05:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Timoleon Patronis

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Played 2 league matches and 1 cup match before disappearing from professional football. This stats stub gives no indication of passing WP:SPORTBASIC either. Sportsup contains a trivial mention of him in a list of players transferred out. Sigma Live and a few other sources contain a mention of a player of the same name who was the assistant manager of Panachaiki from 1971 to 1978 so clearly a different person (but possibly a relative) given the connection to the same club. In any case, there is no significant coverage of either Timoleon Patronis that I can find. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:04, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete – Article definitely fails WP:GNG with only one source provided that is a database. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All-time Atlanta Silverbacks roster

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Subject lacks notability under WP:LISTN due to a lack of sourcing. PROD was removed with the claim that sources exist, however none have been added to the article and I could not find any in a BEFORE, so bringing this to AfD. Let'srun (talk) 19:52, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Same situation as this AfD. Svartner (talk) 01:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrej Hanták

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Hanták played 392 minutes of professional league in 2012 before disappearing later that year. In of reliable secondary sources, the only coverage I found is a passing mention on Dnes24. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:53, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 01:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 22:10, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Severo Tiago

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Seems to fail notability guidelines

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Delete - fails NFOOTBALL. Deriannt (talk) 19:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
NFOOTBALL has been removed from NSPORT. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:53, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment - it'll be interesting to see if anyone has access to Portuguese newspapers in the 1920s as I'd be curious to see if this guy had WP:SIGCOV. Of course, if none can be found, I'm happy with deletion but I can't think of a time when we've deleted an international footballer for such a successful footballing country. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – No sources present for WP:V and no corresponding article on pt.wiki. If anyone finds new sources, I'll change the vote. Svartner (talk) 01:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A redirect to Portugal national football team results (1921–1939) might be a possibility. Geschichte (talk) 07:41, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Geschichte if offline sources even can't be found. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lee-Navu Faunt

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this Papua New Guinean footballer to meet WP:GNG, mostly trivial mentions in match reports and squad listings. A possible redirect target is List of Papua New Guinea international footballers, although the list has not been updated to include his name. JTtheOG (talk) 07:01, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Papua New Guinea international footballers per nom. - Lâm (talk) 07:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – I don't follow sports in the country, but agree with the nomination. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 21:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. I was the notability tagger, and notability is not achieved. Geschichte (talk) 08:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fabio De Sousa

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this American soccer player. JTtheOG (talk) 04:57, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. You forget to mention that this is a common birth name in Portugese-speaking countries that namesakes may be found, unless you've searched in combination with the person's name and clubs. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely. That is probably the only way to do a proper WP:BEFORE. JTtheOG (talk) 19:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flávio Cristóvão

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27 years old and his only professional appearance was 13 minutes in the League Cup for Wolves five years ago. Went on to very low levels of football in Cyprus, Portugal and Austria Sources on page are mostly primary or the match report in general of the one game he played. Clearly, in 13 minutes, there's little he did that warrants wider coverage than the mere fact he signed for Wolves. He makes a listicle in the local media of Wolves youngsters who didn't crack it, [12], but I'm not sure that gives him Sonny Pike levels of notoriety for not making it. Could possibly be redirected to a list of Wolves players (his one achievement), or the personal life section on his dad's page. Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – The match report is just a passing mention, not about him in independent detail. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I just discovered that he is the son of Hélder (footballer, born 1971). I would be fine for a redirect to his father's personal life section per WP:NOTINHERITED. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Links #3 & #4 are dead. No valid secondary sourcing to prove WP:GNG. TitCrisse (talk) 02:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nuno Carvalho

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Same birthplace, surname and country of work as Ricardo Carvalho, but with drastically different career. Entire professional career was 34 minutes in second division, in two substitute appearances. [13] This source here as part of a list of signings in a local source says that he was an international for Andorra, but this is not supported by any database (playing for Andorra is an absurdly low benchmark in international football and he doesn't seem to have crossed it). [14] The search "Nuno Carvalho Lleida" doesn't even produce any sources about his brief professional career, just a forum post quoting a news story about his contract. [15] Player passed the defunct WP:NFOOTY but not WP:GNG Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This comes up, but I don't know if it's the same person [16]. It appears to be an interview anyway, so not really helpful for notability. I don't find enough sourcing to build an article. Oaktree b (talk) 20:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi, the name is very common in Portugal. This appears to be a completely different person as the interview suggests it's about a handball player. It also gives a place of birth as Paramos, Espinho, which is not the place of birth on the Wikipedia article. Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:45, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ricardinho Costa

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Professional career was under one minute in the second division for a reserve team when he was 19, no record of even his amateur career carrying on past 22. [17] Perhaps the biggest example possible of the defunct WP:NFOOTY clearly not aligning with WP:GNG Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:54, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete – Very weak to establish notability. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Diego Garcia (footballer, born 1997)

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This player went from Maia, Portugal to Italy just like Bruno Fernandes but that's where the similarity ends. Played four substitute games (67 minutes) in Italian third tier, then disappears off the radar for eight years until he's playing in Spain's fifth tier. I know it's not a reliable source for an article, but it is completionist, and Transfermarkt [18] indicates in that time he was playing at extremely low levels in Italy, Spain and Croatia. I know that mainstays and top scorers in Serie C will have enough coverage to pass WP:GNG, but it's hard to apply that to someone whose peak was at this relatively low level for just 67 minutes. Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:02, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This player is a small albeit very important island in the Indian Ocean. Apart from that, I can't find anything, and he would have even failed our old WP:SNG. SportingFlyer T·C 20:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:05, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete – Very weak to establish notability. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:13, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zemun Stadium

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Non-notable soccer stadium that fails both WP:GNG and WP:NARENA, which holds that athletic stadia are neither presumptively notable nor inherit the notability of any teams that play there. Significant coverage has not been demonstrated to exist, the article has been inadequately sourced for over fifteen years now (and was notability tagged for 12 years), its only current source is primary. Previous AfD went keep on the basis of several "It's notable," "It's big," and "Important games have been played there," among other illegitimate reasons. Ravenswing 09:43, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete zero notability established. Sole source is from the home club, their website also doesn't appear to exist anymore. Looking at the previous AfD (which you also nominated), all of the keep arguments completely violated WP:INHERIT and WP:NARENA (which some of them even used as a keep argument), and the closing admin looks to have simply done a vote count. Aydo h8^[contribs] 10:46, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to either Zemun#Sport or FK Zemun if no coverage is found. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That would run afoul of WP:XY. Ravenswing 04:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To fix WP:XY, I would say redirect to Zemun#Sport if no coverage is found because the topic is broader than FK Zemun. --Habst (talk) 15:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No objection. Ravenswing 18:32, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would be absolutely astounded if this isn't notable. I'll try to do a source search in a bit. SportingFlyer T·C 19:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per previous AFD which contains numerous sources. Giant Snowman 20:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which of those sources do you claim provides SIGCOV to the subject? Ravenswing 05:28, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the sources at the previous AfD demonstrate notability, along with [19] [20] and books such as Srbija: znamenitosti i lepote (1965) SportingFlyer T·C 21:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The other issue is this stadium is known by several different names, making BEFORE searches more difficult. Recent coverage also includes [21] [22] SportingFlyer T·C 02:12, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Viktoriya Adiyeva

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Disputed PROD. Fails significant coverage criteria. Editor who disputed the PROD said there are lots of sources but did not add anything to the article and I can not find anything that would amount to significant coverage. Shrug02 (talk) 20:15, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Meisam Yarahmadi

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Fails notability. just being a coach in youth level in a non-Olympic sport is far from being notable. this looks like WP:COI. Sports2021 (talk) 01:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete None of the coverage is significant and independent. All of the references mention him as coach of national youth teams but only in the context of the team preparing for competitions, him announcing results, or competitors being invited to training camps. He is either being interviewed or mentioned in one sentence as the national junior team coach. That doesn't show WP notability. Papaursa (talk) 17:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kyohei Hagiwara

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MMA fighter fails WP:NMMA (no evidence of ever ranking in world top 10 for division) and WP:NSPORT/WP:GNG for lack of WP:SIGCOV. Coverage in article (and in WP:BEFORE search) is routine match coverage and/or non-independent coverage on the website of his fighting federation. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:36, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No significant independent coverage. Match results are not significant and articles on Rizin's website are not independent. Fightmatrix has his current world ranking at #524, so he's not close to meeting WP:NMMA. Papaursa (talk) 17:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep there seems to be independent written match reporting (as opposed to just results) for some of his fights on Asian MMA - example Here I dont know enough about MMA coverage to know if this counts as significant coverage or not, but it seems like several taken together might… as well as plenty of Japanese sources if you search using his name in Kanji - This article of example for his fighting, and This article as an example of the coverage around his domestic violence scandal. All in all there seems to be enough coverage to satisfy general notability, and then it’s just a matter of someone adding the information from those sources to the article and citing them properly. Absurdum4242 (talk) 16:22, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even independent match reporting is not WP:SIGCOV of the individuals in the matches; see WP:NOTROUTINE. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:39, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: based on the comment above... The first article seems fine, second one is rather brief coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 21:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Both of the articles mentioned by Absurdum4242 are recaps of RIZIN 48 and focus on two things: Hagiwara's second 3 fight losing streak in his last 7 fights and the domestic abuse he was accused of that same day. His current ranking as the #549 featherweight by figthmatrix.com clearly doesn't show WP notability. I don't see how multiple sources reporting on the same fight card results with both reports mentioning charges being filed meets WP:GNG. It's clearly not a big enough event to provide notability on its own. The "no comments" or "we don't know" from fight officials does nothing to increase notability. Papaursa (talk) 03:06, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Graeme Geddes

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Can find a grand total of 1 article on this guy, and while it covers him in depth, it isn't really enough to qualify him as notable. Allan Nonymous (talk) 23:58, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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DeleteASAP. ZERO sources. Does not meet WP:GNG.TitCrisse (talk) 02:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Giacomo Milano

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Deleted article which was recently recreated with no significant improvements. Clear fail of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 23:13, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Seeing there are multiple Italian Ruby players up here made be look below WP:SPORTCRIT to see if there was a Rugby specific guideline. Seeing that there is WP:NRODEO but no Rugby guideline. Makes me think WP could use a Rubgy guideline. I do not have enough subject matter knowledge to want to attempt that though Czarking0 (talk) 01:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Basically all primary sources in the sense that they are published by the institutions he plays for. Does not seem to be notable enough in other respects. Googling his name only returns basic player stats. I also tried Italian google news and he does not come up. Czarking0 (talk) 01:17, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hayden Jones

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Non-notable tennis player who fails to meet the requirements at WP:GNG and WP:NTENNIS. I am not finding enough sources that are independent of the subject and amount to significant coverage. Almost all of the references on this article are just routine match coverage. May just be a case of WP:TOOSOON. Adamtt9 (talk) 13:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete As per nom. Has not achieved anything worth having an article for. Only non-routine match report coverage is based primarily on his sister and notability is not inherited. Shrug02 (talk) 14:37, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Morteza Khoshbakht

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Fails notability, this was deleted once but recreated with more or less the same thing. I have to repeat what I wrote first time. the article just has a bunch of refs without much to say, from what I found he is a former world youth/cadet (not junior) champion back in 1996 but that's not enough to make him notable. he never won anything in junior or senior level. Sports2021 (talk) 10:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail WP:GNG in WP:NATH. No WP:RS and WP:IS for WP:V. QEnigma talk 15:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kheyrollah Ghahramani

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Fails notability, he probably won some youth medals but achieved nothing in major events in senior level. the article claims he won two silver at 2012 and 2013 Asian Senior Championship but that's not correct and he never even made it to those competitions. Sports2021 (talk) 01:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Not sure how much help it is, but this source suggests he did in fact have a silver at the Asian championships and a bronze at world championship. [23] Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Unfortunately this source fails to mention these medals are in cadet level. this is his resume in UWW database. as I said he never won anything special in senior level. Sports2021 (talk) 10:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanksgiving Eve Dynamite (2023)

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No evidence of independent notability for this holiday-special TV episode. JTtheOG (talk) 22:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC) Redirect to List of AEW Dynamite special episodes#2023 seems like the perfect WP:ATD. JTtheOG (talk) 00:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - This seems highly superflous, considering all the other years of this event exist in article form I see no reason why this should be any different. I was going to even describe the details of said event in the "Production" section. I really see no reason why this article should be deleted, it serves it's purpose, it's grouped in with the others and every other yearly event associated with it has it's own article. Lemonademan22 (talk) 00:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Using an article from 2006 for a TV show almost 20 yrs later as sourcing isn't showing notability. This is about typical [24], seems to be a series of tv shows, rather than one special. I don't see anything showing this particular incarnation was very notable. Oaktree b (talk) 22:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm guessing you're not in the wrestling sphere, these are different comapanies with no relation to one another with seperate names and seperate specials. The company that hosted this event isn't even 10 years old. Lemonademan22 (talk) 00:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, 2006 is more than 10 years ago, I don't know what to tell you. Oaktree b (talk) 01:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All Elite Wrestling, the actual wrestling promotion who hosted the event, was founded in 2019. The event is not connected to the ones from 2006 as they are in a different promotion under an entirely different name. That is a fact and nothing else. Lemonademan22 (talk) 02:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They are referring to the source in the article being from 2006. JTtheOG (talk) 03:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still not understanding. I read the article but how can you connect this special with an unrelated 2006 special that I've never even heard of from a different company? Lemonademan22 (talk) 14:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He's saying that somehow the reference used for this article was created in 2006. Realistically that source just says an outline of how wrestling works. It doesn't help push towards WP:GNG and, in this case, show WP:NOTINHERITED doesn't apply. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest this article could just be tagged to be worked on and I'd gladly spend more time on it. It doesn't need to be full on deleted. Lemonademan22 (talk) 16:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you show that is it a notable event enough to meet WP:GNG and WP:NOTINHERITED not just as a regular Dynamite episode? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think I can.

Firstly, it is the fourth of five specials that has happened since 2019, not counting 2020 as one was not held, and all of them have articles.

Secondly, it was watched by almost 1 million people alone (Source: [25] ) and broadcast on TBS one of the biggest cable networks in America.

Thirdly, it was extensivley covered while the action was happening by Bleacher Report (Source [26] ) which is one of the biggest online sports news companies in America also and it was also covered by news outlet Cageside Seats (Source: [27]), a division of SB Nation, another big American news outlet.

The evidence in my opinion is clear that this is quite notable, albeit the article does lack secondary sources it would not be an issue to add them as long as the article does not get deleted as I wouldn't be able to then. Lemonademan22 (talk) 16:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
seems like routine content to me. It was watched by almost the exact same amount the week before. Cageside seats and bleacher report are both unreliable sources, but even if they weren't, they also cover most episodes of Dynamite. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And the ratings were actually down from the previous week in the key 18–49 demo. JTtheOG (talk) 20:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably because it was before Thanksgiving? Personally I don't see the difference. Lemonademan22 (talk) 23:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Sources, Bleacher Report is a "limited reliable source", CagesideSeats is listed as an unreliable source so that's fine but I was illustrating the point that big news outlets were covering the action and the episode. Lemonademan22 (talk) 23:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh this? That's on every single wrestling article covering a PPV, special episode ect. that's nothing new on Wrestling articles on Wikipedia, it's always used. It shouldn't make a difference. If secondary sources are what you want I'll put them on the article and improve it that way than it being deleted. Lemonademan22 (talk) 16:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that would be what's required. Multiple reliable third party sources talking in depth about the subject that aren't just WP:ROUTINE coverage. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Nothing in this article suggests that this is, nor the other events are independently notable from the regular Dynamite episodes. Just seems like a regular TV show that has a Christmas themed episode. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No offense, but did you even read the title? It clearly says Thanksgiving. Lemonademan22 (talk) 14:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure the time of year makes any difference. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:16, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

American Thanksgiving usually marks the start of the Christmas season if that makes a difference. Oaktree b (talk) 22:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge somewhere: AEW as of late has gone towards adding more subtitles to the weekly shows, but whereas specials such as Blood & Guts or Grand Slam are built like PPVs, the Thanksgiving Eve shows tend to be on the "regular episode with a subtitle bolted on" end of the spectrum. It's a plausible search term, so I'd err against full-scale deletion, but I'm not convinced it was really that special. Sceptre (talk) 00:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I actually agree with this. @Lee Vilenski what if we merge all Thanksgiving Eve Dynamites in one article similar to Saturday Night's Main Event and have the existing articles as redirects. Lemonademan22 (talk) 01:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also @JTtheOG. Lemonademan22 (talk) 01:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How are these Thanksgiving episodes any different from regular Dynamite episodes though? We shouldn't have an article simply becuase it has an appendix to the shows name, or every Christmas episode of every TV show would have its own article. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They are longer episodes of Dynamite and, among that, are allowed a special over run and often showcase special match ups, for example this special heavily features the Continental Classic tournament. They are also built like PPVs in a way that they feature "blow-off" matches to feuds and storylines. That's why I think they're notable enough. Although I think merging all of them together is a good idea. Lemonademan22 (talk) 15:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of AEW Dynamite special episodes#2023 This is pretty much the article in summary, just with the lede set into a just as descriptive table. Nate • (chatter) 00:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge or Redirect. To be honest, I don't get why there are so many articles about AEW Dynamite specials episodes. Every Dynamite/Collison/Rampage episode with a fancy name has an article. Beyond WP:ROUTINE, there are no sources. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sportspeople

List of men's footballers with the most official appearances (including youth internationals & reserves)

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duplicate of the article List of men's footballers with the most official appearances, except it also goes against a consensus sought at that article to exclude youth football and non-competitive games. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 16:56, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Corentin Rahier

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hayden Jones

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Non-notable tennis player who fails to meet the requirements at WP:GNG and WP:NTENNIS. I am not finding enough sources that are independent of the subject and amount to significant coverage. Almost all of the references on this article are just routine match coverage. May just be a case of WP:TOOSOON. Adamtt9 (talk) 13:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete As per nom. Has not achieved anything worth having an article for. Only non-routine match report coverage is based primarily on his sister and notability is not inherited. Shrug02 (talk) 14:37, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ankur Malik

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This subject fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, the sources that mention him are poor and do not provide WP:SIGCOV. Nxcrypto Message 07:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Lack of significant coverage, fails WP:GNG. Robo^Cric Let's chat 11:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Morteza Khoshbakht

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Fails notability, this was deleted once but recreated with more or less the same thing. I have to repeat what I wrote first time. the article just has a bunch of refs without much to say, from what I found he is a former world youth/cadet (not junior) champion back in 1996 but that's not enough to make him notable. he never won anything in junior or senior level. Sports2021 (talk) 10:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail WP:GNG in WP:NATH. No WP:RS and WP:IS for WP:V. QEnigma talk 15:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicole Midwin

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I can't find any extended discussion of this living person, or any distinction making her automatically notable. Databases record her having had a professional beach volleyball career; she has appeared once or twice in Playboy publications/websites; she ran for local office once. I reduced the article in this edit, removing some poor sources (a magazine search, a Getty images search, a brief TV segment via YouTube) and some unreferenced personal information, but I conclude that notability can't be demonstrated. Yngvadottir (talk) 00:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG under WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:NMODEL. QEnigma talk 14:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kheyrollah Ghahramani

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Fails notability, he probably won some youth medals but achieved nothing in major events in senior level. the article claims he won two silver at 2012 and 2013 Asian Senior Championship but that's not correct and he never even made it to those competitions. Sports2021 (talk) 01:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Not sure how much help it is, but this source suggests he did in fact have a silver at the Asian championships and a bronze at world championship. [28] Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Unfortunately this source fails to mention these medals are in cadet level. this is his resume in UWW database. as I said he never won anything special in senior level. Sports2021 (talk) 10:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Meisam Yarahmadi

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Fails notability. just being a coach in youth level in a non-Olympic sport is far from being notable. this looks like WP:COI. Sports2021 (talk) 01:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete None of the coverage is significant and independent. All of the references mention him as coach of national youth teams but only in the context of the team preparing for competitions, him announcing results, or competitors being invited to training camps. He is either being interviewed or mentioned in one sentence as the national junior team coach. That doesn't show WP notability. Papaursa (talk) 17:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Culwell

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this American soccer player. All I found was coverage from his high school career (1 and 2). JTtheOG (talk) 21:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Those newspapers only feature the person in images. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jenette Maitz

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Non-notable figure skater. Only competed in two competitions: 1st place (with no other challengers) at the Turkish Figure Skating Championships and 26th place (out of 27 teams, though the 27th team was technically a withdrawal) at the 2010 World Championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Deimantė Kizalaitė

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Non-notable figure skater. No senior-level international medals; no national championship gold medals. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Charis Fourkiotis

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His 46 minutes of professional football is, at best, a weak presumption of notability. My searches didn't yield any WP:SPORTBASIC coverage. Elassona News has an announcement about him which is only 2 sentences long. Larissa Net mentions him once. AELOle has a transfer announcement which is copied from his club's website. There is no good coverage in WP:RS as far as I can see. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no significant coverage in Greek media

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Delete. By the way I'm pretty sure Super League 2 stopped being fully professional after COVID. The league was expanded from 12 to a whopping 34 teams, and with diminutive match attendance in several arenas. Geschichte (talk) 20:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 05:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Timoleon Patronis

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Played 2 league matches and 1 cup match before disappearing from professional football. This stats stub gives no indication of passing WP:SPORTBASIC either. Sportsup contains a trivial mention of him in a list of players transferred out. Sigma Live and a few other sources contain a mention of a player of the same name who was the assistant manager of Panachaiki from 1971 to 1978 so clearly a different person (but possibly a relative) given the connection to the same club. In any case, there is no significant coverage of either Timoleon Patronis that I can find. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:04, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete – Article definitely fails WP:GNG with only one source provided that is a database. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kutay Eryoldaş

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 10:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Steve Nesser

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This appears to be a borderline WP:NBIO case that falls just short of passing the criteria. The subject does have some of his own accomplishments in the realm of skateboarding, but the coverage seems insufficient by WP:SIGCOV standards. Source 1 is a passing mention of him in a list of names, source 2 is dead and I couldn't find an archive, source 3 is an interview so not independent, and the only other sources are dead links to what appears to be his defunct website. A WP:BEFORE search led me to minor coverage from skateboarding magazines, and more interviews and primary sources. This guy does appear closer to his own notability than the limited sourcing on this page would portend, but I couldn't find enough coverage of him in my BEFORE search to quite hit the threshold of WP:GNG. JeffSpaceman (talk) 01:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No credible secondary sourcing, doesn't meet WP:GNG.TitCrisse (talk) 02:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: From ProQuest, I was able to find [[29]] but without more independent coverage there isn't enough here for the WP:GNG to be met. Let'srun (talk) 20:57, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Graeme Geddes

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Can find a grand total of 1 article on this guy, and while it covers him in depth, it isn't really enough to qualify him as notable. Allan Nonymous (talk) 23:58, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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DeleteASAP. ZERO sources. Does not meet WP:GNG.TitCrisse (talk) 02:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vladyslav Pikhovych

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andrej Hanták

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Hanták played 392 minutes of professional league in 2012 before disappearing later that year. In of reliable secondary sources, the only coverage I found is a passing mention on Dnes24. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:53, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 01:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 22:10, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandria Riordan

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:55, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Prod was removed on technical grounds (article was ineligible for prods). Anyway, I can't find any sources, current referencing is terrible. Does not seem to meet WP:GNG, not all sportspeople are encyclopedic (notable). This is just poorly referenced fan piece of OR on a non-notable person. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - this is the second time that this article has been created and I still can't see any evidence of WP:SIGCOV. The best that I can find is Am-Pol Eagle, if that is a reliable source. We would need more than one source, though. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Juliana Cannarozzo

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:19, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - per nom. Deriannt (talk) 17:43, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not enough secondary sourcing to prove WP:GNG.TitCrisse (talk) 03:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Severo Tiago

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Seems to fail notability guidelines

Courtesy ping @user:Spiderone, since you contested the ProD Jay Cubby 19:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails NFOOTBALL. Deriannt (talk) 19:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
NFOOTBALL has been removed from NSPORT. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:53, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment - it'll be interesting to see if anyone has access to Portuguese newspapers in the 1920s as I'd be curious to see if this guy had WP:SIGCOV. Of course, if none can be found, I'm happy with deletion but I can't think of a time when we've deleted an international footballer for such a successful footballing country. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – No sources present for WP:V and no corresponding article on pt.wiki. If anyone finds new sources, I'll change the vote. Svartner (talk) 01:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A redirect to Portugal national football team results (1921–1939) might be a possibility. Geschichte (talk) 07:41, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Geschichte if offline sources even can't be found. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marcus Wilson (basketball)

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Prolific high school/college basketball player fails WP:NHOOPS. Page is an absolute mess and was likely created as promotional material by an WP:SPA. Novemberjazz 18:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:NHOOPS. --NoonIcarus (talk) 20:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep a quick search found some references, more can be found more than likely given his collegiate career. Article needs cleanup, but deletion is not cleanup.Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 20:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Was a notable college basketball player. Passes WP:GNG with coverage such as Award is 'big deal' to Wilson, Speaking in tounges, Marcus Wilson is on quite a roll - so UE is, too, South Bend's own on call...while Wilson hopes for best and Numbers adding up to Evansville guard.Alvaldi (talk) 21:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I think he meets notability just enough, but the article itself is in desperate need of an overhaul as it’s badly written and full of puffery inflating his accomplishments. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 21:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. He passes GNG. The article feels a bit promotional but the subject himself is notable. SportsGuy789 (talk) 22:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Problems with the article aside, the subject pretty easily passes GNG as a former conference player of the year. JTtheOG (talk) 22:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - He was notable as a star basketball player and refs on the article and in this discussion show it. The article seriously needs cleanup though. Looks like an IP refocused the article and deleted some refs in 2021, maybe Wilson himself. Rikster2 (talk) 12:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above, though agreed that the article needs major cleanup as it reads like a press conference, so an editor could go and blow it up and start over if necessary. Madeleine (talk) 20:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sources already provided in this deletion discussion appear to be sufficient to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 21:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alessia Aureli

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Some coverage found, is only what amounts to rankings, subject of the deletion discussion is listed among others [30]. Nothing otherwise to suggest notability. Lack of sourcing isn't helping. Oaktree b (talk) 21:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Dmytro Ihnatenko

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:22, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail WP:GNG (WP:NSPORT / WP:NSKATE) criteria. No WP:RS and WP:IS. QEnigma talk 11:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This article does not have valid secondary sources to prove WP:GNG. TitCrisse (talk) 02:40, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anastasia Galyeta

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:21, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail WP:GNG (WP:NSPORT / WP:NSKATE) criteria. No WP:RS and WP:IS. QEnigma talk 11:45, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Anastasiia Yalova

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail WP:GNG (WP:NSPORT / WP:NSKATE) criteria. No WP:RS and WP:IS. QEnigma talk 11:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Balint Miklos

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:29, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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DELETE ASAP. Zero sourcing. Does not at all prove WP:GNG.TitCrisse (talk) 03:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adrian Matei

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lee-Navu Faunt

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this Papua New Guinean footballer to meet WP:GNG, mostly trivial mentions in match reports and squad listings. A possible redirect target is List of Papua New Guinea international footballers, although the list has not been updated to include his name. JTtheOG (talk) 07:01, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Papua New Guinea international footballers per nom. - Lâm (talk) 07:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – I don't follow sports in the country, but agree with the nomination. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 21:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. I was the notability tagger, and notability is not achieved. Geschichte (talk) 08:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fabio De Sousa

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this American soccer player. JTtheOG (talk) 04:57, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. You forget to mention that this is a common birth name in Portugese-speaking countries that namesakes may be found, unless you've searched in combination with the person's name and clubs. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely. That is probably the only way to do a proper WP:BEFORE. JTtheOG (talk) 19:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Robynne Tweedale

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Not meeting notability, lack of coverage. [31] is about the best, which is a brief mention. Oaktree b (talk) 01:16, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fail WP:GNG (WP:NSPORT / WP:NSKATE) criteria. No WP:RS and WP:IS. QEnigma talk 11:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Astrid Mangi

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:27, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I was able to find some additional references I think it can be maintained. 190.219.101.225 (talk) 00:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your reference only supported the results, which were never in question, and did nothing to establish any sort of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And actually, upon examination, it’s a wiki-mirror. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:49, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Absence of any IRS sources with SIGCOV, as required by GNG and SPORTCRIT. JoelleJay (talk) 20:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Víctor Bustamante

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:30, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: As the nom knows, WP:NSPORTS is not relevant. WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC is what matters. 1, 2, 3, 4. JTtheOG (talk) 05:19, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flávio Cristóvão

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27 years old and his only professional appearance was 13 minutes in the League Cup for Wolves five years ago. Went on to very low levels of football in Cyprus, Portugal and Austria Sources on page are mostly primary or the match report in general of the one game he played. Clearly, in 13 minutes, there's little he did that warrants wider coverage than the mere fact he signed for Wolves. He makes a listicle in the local media of Wolves youngsters who didn't crack it, [32], but I'm not sure that gives him Sonny Pike levels of notoriety for not making it. Could possibly be redirected to a list of Wolves players (his one achievement), or the personal life section on his dad's page. Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – The match report is just a passing mention, not about him in independent detail. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I just discovered that he is the son of Hélder (footballer, born 1971). I would be fine for a redirect to his father's personal life section per WP:NOTINHERITED. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Links #3 & #4 are dead. No valid secondary sourcing to prove WP:GNG. TitCrisse (talk) 02:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jaime Franklin

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No indepth coverage from reliable third party sources. GRuban (talk) 21:30, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let me rephrase, since it didn't seem to be clear. Not just no indepth coverage in the article; none to be found. I did look. --GRuban (talk) 12:40, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This may need attention from people with more knowledge of bodybuilding competition. This person does show up on sites about competitive bodybuilding—a news hit appears to verify her placement in 2003 and 2004 "Figure Olympia" competitions, though in this article they are listed as "Arnold Figure". Her name also appeared on other sites related to bodybuilding, though I did not investigate them thoroughly. I did not find any book hits, but I was not certain of the best search formula, and may have missed something.

Although my search results were minimal, I am also concerned that the nominator said nothing about attempting to find reliable searches before nominating the article for deletion, which is expected by WP:BEFORE. Since at least some sources are out there, and local news is not always easy to find, I would like to know that someone with more expertise in the subject has tried to find material that could be cited here. P Aculeius (talk) 11:52, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that could have been ambiguous so I clarified above. I did try, and while I'm no expert in the subject, I have been here for 15 years so consider myself reasonably good at finding sources in general. But if someone can find sources that I didn't, I would be only too happy; I far prefer improving articles to deleting them. --GRuban (talk) 12:45, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for that. Since all I found was a handful of mentions on bodybuilding sites, with nothing particularly substantial, I'll just leave that if it helps anyone who knows where else to look before this article is deleted. Obviously, if the article is deleted first, there would be no objection to recreating it if adequate coverage to demonstrate notability turns up later. P Aculeius (talk) 13:26, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No valid secondary sources to prove WP:GNG.TitCrisse (talk) 02:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nuno Carvalho

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Same birthplace, surname and country of work as Ricardo Carvalho, but with drastically different career. Entire professional career was 34 minutes in second division, in two substitute appearances. [33] This source here as part of a list of signings in a local source says that he was an international for Andorra, but this is not supported by any database (playing for Andorra is an absurdly low benchmark in international football and he doesn't seem to have crossed it). [34] The search "Nuno Carvalho Lleida" doesn't even produce any sources about his brief professional career, just a forum post quoting a news story about his contract. [35] Player passed the defunct WP:NFOOTY but not WP:GNG Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This comes up, but I don't know if it's the same person [36]. It appears to be an interview anyway, so not really helpful for notability. I don't find enough sourcing to build an article. Oaktree b (talk) 20:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi, the name is very common in Portugal. This appears to be a completely different person as the interview suggests it's about a handball player. It also gives a place of birth as Paramos, Espinho, which is not the place of birth on the Wikipedia article. Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:45, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of NFL quarterbacks by teams beaten

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Does not pass WP:NLIST from my perspective, and comes across as WP:Fancruft/trivia. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:02, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Article literally copies off one source to present the information, and this is usually only a headline superlative rather than something really followed closely. Nate • (chatter) 17:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes NLIST. [37][38][39][40][41] ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Seems to be a copy of a single source, and is arbitrarily cut off at "all teams but four". PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Clarityfiend's merge proposal also sounds very reasonable to me, so I'd be cool with either. No opinion on how much the list should be trimmed if we ultimately go with merge. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep if renamed List of NFL quarterbacks who have beaten every team in the league and trimmed. (Also remove the criterion "beaten every team he faced at least once", which is just made up.) It satisfies NLIST, but only for every team, not every team but n (n=1, 2, 3, etc.). This is a rare achievement which requires a QB to go to another team and then beat his former team. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:16, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Alternatively merge to List of NFL individual records#Quarterback wins, but just the half dozen QBs who have done it all. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:26, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I'd support a trim and merge. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I personally don't believe the list should be trimmed to just those six players. The sources discuss a lot more players than just those six. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to trim list, it should include the six who beat all teams plus the qbs who stayed with one team throughout their career and beat all other teams (Bradshaw, Elway, ect.) Spparky (talk) 20:17, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the sources that support this addition? I don't see any. (The closest I can find is that Mahomes is the youngest to beat all 31 other teams, and that's a different kettle of fish.) Otherwise, this is just an unwarranted stretching of the boundary. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:38, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trim and merge to List of NFL individual records#Quarterback wins. Specifically, I would add a bullet for those retired QBs who have beaten all but one team if they spent their entire career with one team. This would remove Ken Stabler, Alex Smith and Kerry Collins because they played for multiple teams. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 20:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kerry Collins is listed in three of the sources above though. Here is an excerpt: "Oddly, one other quarterback, Kerry Collins, beat 31 teams, but the team Collins never beat, the Dolphins, wasn’t one of the teams he played for. Collins actually started against the Dolphins four times while playing for four different teams, but lost all four games." ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I find it more notable that a QB spent their entire career with one team and beat every other team in the league (31/31) than being traded and still not beating every team in the league (31/32). Collins wouldn't be on the list of "all but one" if he had never been traded since he never beat the Dolphins. In the end, that will be a decision to be made by the closing administrator. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 20:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You may find it more WP:interesting, but that's not what Wikipedia is based on. Sources! Where are your sources? Clarityfiend (talk) 10:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If sources were the only criterion, then we would have hundreds of times more articles than we do now. I was featured in my hometown newspapers covering my Eagle Scout project, so should I have a Wikipedia article? The answer is no, because I do not meet WP:GNG despite the fact I can provide sources. At what point do we stop adding names to these lists? Your argument, to me, seems more along the lines of WP:ILIKEIT than putting forward any policy-based or guideline-based argument. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 19:15, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your example, an article in a local paper about a local person/event, does not qualifiy as a Wikipedial source. You are confusing verifiability with notability. [Pet peeve alert: Why do you and others keep typing "::*:", "*::", etc., when the asterisk does nothing unless it is at the end?] Clarityfiend (talk) 09:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Clarityfiend: You asked about my sources, so I provided a hypothetical to show that I can find sources for someone not notable (I specifically said I do not meet GNG). In reference to the pet peeve, I'm not typing the colons and asterisks. That is Wikipedia's "Reply" function probably just adding a colon to the end of whatever indenting text already exists. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 23:06, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports writers have written about QBs with wins against all teams as a group (I'm stretching just to include the two who beat the 28 then-existing teams), as demonstrated by WikiOriginal-9. None have written about all but one, with or without weird qualifiers/conditions, as a group (sorry, Collins). Clarityfiend (talk) 04:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This has enough discussion in secondary sources to allow us to have an article on it. The issues above all seem like editing issues, not notability issues. SportingFlyer T·C 20:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Trim and merge per Clarityfiend. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:FANCRUFT WP:NOTSTATS. Excessive niche statscruft sourced by a single outlet. Ajf773 (talk) 22:22, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sourcing currently in the article is an editing issue, there are plenty of different sources above. SportingFlyer T·C 04:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Four of five of WikiOriginal-9's sources above discuss these "32-win" QBs as a group, so NLIST is satisfied. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, there is only one source currently in the article, and it's a database website, but this is clearly notable. The editing just needs to be cleaned up. Other sources include [42] [43] SportingFlyer T·C 04:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The souces provided in this discussion, particularly the CBS Sports, NBC Sports, and Sporting News articles each cover the list as a grouping for WP:NLIST to be met. Let'srun (talk) 20:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Viktoriya Adiyeva

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Disputed PROD. Fails significant coverage criteria. Editor who disputed the PROD said there are lots of sources but did not add anything to the article and I can not find anything that would amount to significant coverage. Shrug02 (talk) 20:15, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ricardinho Costa

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Professional career was under one minute in the second division for a reserve team when he was 19, no record of even his amateur career carrying on past 22. [44] Perhaps the biggest example possible of the defunct WP:NFOOTY clearly not aligning with WP:GNG Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:54, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete – Very weak to establish notability. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Diego Garcia (footballer, born 1997)

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This player went from Maia, Portugal to Italy just like Bruno Fernandes but that's where the similarity ends. Played four substitute games (67 minutes) in Italian third tier, then disappears off the radar for eight years until he's playing in Spain's fifth tier. I know it's not a reliable source for an article, but it is completionist, and Transfermarkt [45] indicates in that time he was playing at extremely low levels in Italy, Spain and Croatia. I know that mainstays and top scorers in Serie C will have enough coverage to pass WP:GNG, but it's hard to apply that to someone whose peak was at this relatively low level for just 67 minutes. Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:02, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This player is a small albeit very important island in the Indian Ocean. Apart from that, I can't find anything, and he would have even failed our old WP:SNG. SportingFlyer T·C 20:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:05, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete – Very weak to establish notability. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:13, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Meaney (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 15:18, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - decent Irish coverage available - RTÉ (a little routine but still a headline in a national broadcaster's site indicating national prominence), KCLR (similar to before but not quite as notable as RTÉ), a circa 1k word piece entirely about Meaney and his career in The Kildare Nationalist and another piece of coverage in The Nationalist (Carlow version so separate from the prior newspaper). Of these the Kildare Nationalist piece is strongest and combined the sources indicate regional notability, imv. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 16:46, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Glenn Moody

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:10, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Multiple articles on glenn moody northernecho and glenn moody gazettelive searches on google plus glenn moody theguardian is a strong one tooCanary757 (talk) 18:26, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
five references added to the article now from three different sources.Canary757 (talk) 07:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per references added to article. Further coverage can be found in The Mirror (admittedly no consensus for reliability but the coverage indicates notability), Evening Gazette and a bit in the darts publication Dartn.de. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 11:44, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fabian Roosenbrand

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:13, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have found a few things for this one. dartfreakz [46], this [47], ~~wegdamnieuws [48]~~, aavisie [49], almelonineuws[50]. Nothing spectacular but some notability. I will have a closer look at these later before nominating a vote and will also consider any feedback.Canary757 (talk) 06:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These sources look minor so I am not opposing deletion unless better ones are found.Canary757 (talk) 12:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Craig Ross (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:19, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This from Stuff is clear sigcov. Further coverage from the Dominion Post and again in same indicate he's of at least regional notability. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 11:39, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Carson Vinson

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I am struggling to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject to meet WP:GNG. Most of the sources available contain routine coverage of an invite to a college all-star game, with a notable exception being this piece from Alabama News Center, which has maybe a half-dozen sentences of independent coverage of the subject. JTtheOG (talk) 05:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@JTtheOG: The piece you linked (here) is a feature story (6,000+ characters) about Vinson. It's clearly SIGCOV. Do you disagree? This one also appears to be SIGCOV. It's pretty rare for offensive tackles to receives this level of coverage. Cbl62 (talk) 21:52, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While a closer count yields closer to 10 sentences of coverage of the subject (most is quotes), the site itself seems to be some sort of corporate newsletter for Alabama Power, directly describing themselves as "one of several ways [the company] communicates with and advertises to its customers". They also have a section titled allegations of media manipulation on their WP article, but regardless, I do believe that this questionable source + six sentences of coverage of the subject in the AL.com article – which ends with an link to buy tickets to the game and a note that the site "may receive compensation" if you purchase a product through links on their site – at least warrants a discussion. Biographies, but BLPs especially, require strong sourcing. JTtheOG (talk) 23:03, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the two articles cited in the article, I would say (i) the depth is there in both cases to consitute WP:SIGCOV, (ii) such depth is rare for offensive linemen (especially at non-majors), (iii) AL.com (Alabama's largest media outlet) doesn't fail WP:INDY just because the article provides a link allowing readers to purchase tickets to the Senior Bowl, an annual collegiate all-star game that is played in Mobile, and (iv) I don't see any COI in the piece from Alabama News Center, since there is no connection (unless I'm missing it) between Vinson and the utility company that funds the outlet. Cbl62 (talk) 06:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Simply put, a corporate newsletter with no published editorial policy or staff page from an energy company with a shady recent history of media manipulation doesn't strike me as a reliable source to report on college football, especially as the main piece of SIGCOV on a BLP. JTtheOG (talk) 07:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how you can call it "a corporate newsletter". It is a news website owned by a public utility company. While unusual, this is unfortunately an era in which corporate/billionaire ownership of media (including The Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, etc.) has become increasingly common. I don't believe that such ownership taints all of a media outlet's coverage. Clearly, any coverage of the owner's other business interests would involve a conflict of interest and thus be non-independent. However, as stated above, there's no conflict here with reportage on a local college athlete. Even if that were a problem, there's coverage in multiple other media outlets, including those set forth below. Cbl62 (talk) 13:50, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, it’s a matter of reliability not COI. A company’s media wing is not the same thing as a newspaper of record owned by a billionaire. JTtheOG (talk) 18:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~. See the points raised above. Also, his notability is supported by being the first player from an HBCU ever selected for the honor of playing in the Senior Bowl. In addition to the two SIGCOV sources already cited in the article, there are others. E.g., (3) this from SI.com focusing of Vinson being the first HBCU player selected to play in the Senior Bowl (quite a historic honor), (4) a six-minute piece from Fox 54 (here) focusing on the historic nature of Vinson's selection for the Senior Bowl, (5) this piece from WHNT Huntsville, and to a lesser extent (6) this from SI.com rating him one of the top offensive tackles in FCS and (7) this rating him as one of the top three HBCU football players. All said, I think it's enough to pass our GNG standard. Cbl62 (talk) 06:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment He's not actually the first HBCU player ever selected to the Senior Bowl. There have probably been a lot. Those sources just mean he's the first one (and possibly only one) this year. This additional source about Vinson says "Pro Football Hall of Famer John Stallworth, an Alabama A&M legend and 1974 Senior Bowl alum, was on hand to deliver the invitation." Stallworth was a HBCU Senior Bowl selection in 1974. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks WikiO. That's helpful and makes Vinson's selection less impressive. I'd probably lean more toward Draftify or a weak keep in that case. Cbl62 (talk) 18:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning Keep, per Cbl62. Probably has enough coverage, especially since it's rare for low-level FCS offensive tackles to receive much coverage at all. (Also, WikiOriginal-9 is correct regarding HBCU players at the Senior Bowl. He's the only one this year, not ever, although it looks like there's only been one other across the 2022-25 Bowls per AL.com, so still pretty rare.) BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:44, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Draftify makes sense as well per Cbl62 – given that he was selected to the Senior Bowl, there's a decent chance he could be chosen in the upcoming 2025 NFL draft (in the Alabama News Center article, his coach said that "He's had every NFL team come and look at him this year – He's gonna get drafted in this year's draft".) BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:46, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete the sourcing here isn't enough to keep this as a stand-alone article. I will admit I'm not entirely sure how to assess the notability of the article written by the power company's newsletter, but even then the other articles are transactional. I have no problem with draftifying this if other sources are found. SportingFlyer T·C 02:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No valid secondary sourcing to prove WP:GNG.TitCrisse (talk) 03:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There appears to be a lack of WP:SIGCOV from reliable, secondary sources discussing the subject in depth to meet the WP:GNG. The newsletter doesn't appear to be independent and I don't see anything better. Let'srun (talk) 20:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Julian Humphrey

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Draftify as I am struggling to find much of any in-depth coverage of the subject, failing WP:GNG. Despite the WP:REFBOMB, everything that comes up is basic coverage of either his college commitment (or de-commitment) or his transfer to another school, with some quotes and stats sprinkled in. This is what we would call "routine transactional announcements" in other sports. JTtheOG (talk) 04:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. There appears be coverage with real depth. E.g., (1) part one/part two, (2) part one/part two, and (3) this. Cbl62 (talk) 14:44, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (I was pinged by the article creator, but I was already planning on participating). Cbl62's coverage looks sufficient. Also, I don't buy the "routine" argument – if someone receives SIGCOV for e.g. transferring, then that's SIGCOV in accordance with GNG, especially if it's national-level coverage like we have here. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:55, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I personally don't think he should be notable enough for Wikipedia - the sources presented are all essentially "he transferred, then he didn't" and are arguably primary, and I only see one source which goes into how he played as opposed to where he signed and it's local, but the sources above go into enough detail about him that it's hard to argue they don't pass GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 20:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Not enough secondary sourcing to prove WP:GNG.TitCrisse (talk) 03:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:GNG with the coverage shown by Cbl62 and the one already in the article. Please note that the locality of the sources have no relevance to the subjects notability. Alvaldi (talk) 14:43, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Coverage from Cbl62 appears to be sufficient enough to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 20:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trina Pratt

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:38, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unable to find the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Please ping me if SIGCOV is found. Let'srun (talk) 15:02, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: As per usual, nom fails to address independent coverage of the subject, who meets WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC at the very least. A quick search yields more than decent coverage in The Pueblo Chieftain and SkateToday, for starters. JTtheOG (talk) 22:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aissa Bouaraguia

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:37, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - per nom. Deriannt (talk) 18:10, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Netta Schreiber

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Believe she does satisfy notability. Actually not sure what the issue is about the article. MaskedSinger (talk) 16:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Diana Pervushkina

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Svitlana Pylypenko

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Ellie Kawamura

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Fabrizio Pedrazzini

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Sirous Ahmadi

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2 google news hits and nothing in Google Books. Does not meet WP:BIO or WP:AUTHOR. Being an immigration consultant hardly adds to notability. LibStar (talk) 17:56, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:AUTHOR. Herinalian (talk) 19:27, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He passes GNG because of significant coverage by different sources. Also he was a member of Iran national canoeing team (IRNA) and won the third place in Asian Canoeing Championships in 2004.(IRNA). Ali Pirhayati (talk) 10:42, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Both the sources you have supplied are 1 line mentions and do not meet WP:SIGCOV. I don't see him meeting WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 10:48, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I added the sources for his canoeing to the page. His record-setting has been covered by several media as well. Ali Pirhayati (talk) 10:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have you declared your connection to him? duffbeerforme (talk) 00:03, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do not have any connection to him. Ali Pirhayati (talk) 07:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That photo you took of him? How then did that come about? duffbeerforme (talk) 07:44, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Very good question, duffbeer. Please answer the question. There's a potential conflict of interest here. LibStar (talk) 08:20, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have added the pictures of hundreds of people to Wikipedia; do I have a connection to all of them!? Sometimes I try to access copyright-free pictures of the subjects for whom I created a page through emailing them. In this case too, long after I created his page, I received a copyright-free picture. Ali Pirhayati (talk) 08:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So are you now saying that you lied about taking it? And that your are not, as you claimed, the copyright holder? duffbeerforme (talk) 08:50, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm the copyright-holder, like this one and many others. Ali Pirhayati (talk) 11:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So you're the copyright holder of a copyright free image that you created yourself and was supplied to you by someone you have no connection to. Makes sense. duffbeerforme (talk) 00:48, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails notability. specially that part about being a member of Iran canoeing team. he was just a member but never won anything major. the page creator claims he won a medal at the Asian Canoeing Championship and provides a source for that. but that's not correct. the source says it was the Central/West Asian Championship not the main Asian Canoeing Championships. Sports2021 (talk) 03:16, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep He meets significant references and coverage so he meets GNG, even though he wrote books and is a businessman. 190.219.101.225 (talk) 04:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - I see a concerted effort by the subject to try to create publicity for himself, but little or none of it meets our standards. (I discovered this AfD from Commons, where File:Sirous Ahmadi.jpg is up for deletion as a copyvio.) The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 05:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pál Székely

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Entirely based on primary sources. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 16:09, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Another one who looks notable in Hungary. Found this [51] in Magyar Nemzet, This [52] [] in Nemzeti Sport. In Blikk newspaper there is is this [53] I've only looked at a few Hungarian papers so there may be a lot more. Any thoughts?Canary757 (talk) 07:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep per above sources identified by Canary757. That Magyar Nemzet article is a brilliant example of sigcov (and even has other outlets reporting on parts of it). Further coverage can be found in Index.hu, M4sport.hu, 24.hu, further coverage in Index.hu, HVG.hu and Origo.hu. Trouble is that googling "Pal Székely" rarely returns any coverage because of Hungarian naming customs which put the name as "Székely Pal", but googling the latter or "Székely Penge" finds some very strong coverage indicating he's nationally notable in Hungary. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 09:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Nemzet article has only a paragraph of coverage; the rest is interview quotes which do not count towards GNG as primary and non-independent. The first three other sources also appear to be just Q&A interviews. Can you find some non-interview coverage of him? JoelleJay (talk) 22:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm curious about the status of interviews; when I check GNG, the reference to secondary sources is that they need "at least one secondary source" (which in this situation would be the latter Index article) and then says sources "should" be secondary. Then when I check WP:PRIMARY it says "(depending on context) interviews", which links me to WP:Reliable_sources#News organizations, in which there is... nothing listed about the aforementioned interviews. Is the inference here that any sort of interview content, regardless of how widespread or what source it's in, is entirely worthless and bunk in determining notability? ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 16:06, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The general consensus has been that secondary content from the interviewer, e.g. background on the interviewee prepared before the interview, can count towards GNG if it's SIGCOV, but anything coming from the interviewee (either directly in quotes or lightly paraphrased by the interviewer) is not independent or secondary. I'd say the Index article is verging on a routine recap (personally I would classify it as fully routine, as it's just briefly reporting his performance in one tournament). JoelleJay (talk) 20:24, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see, thanks for the clarification. Well, I'm finding it hard, owing to my lack of Hungarian (I'm presuming there may be more hidden mentions such as the "Székely Palnak" ones that wouldn't initially come up on search) to find further sources. I'll just hope that whoever closes this will note the various Hungarian national sporting outlets that've gone to the bother of interviewing the subject in detail; even if not counted in the rule-based notability check, it's at least some sort of background showing this isn't just some complete unnotable. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 10:48, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Will give a more expanded response when I have more time but German website dartn.de [54] which has a nice bio about him describes him as one of the most famous players in Eastern Europe (via google translate).Canary757 (talk) 07:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

János Végső

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Entirely based on primary sources. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 16:14, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Relist~~ I think this one warrants more investigation. Significant coverage in the Hungarian Sports newspaper Nemzeti Sport such as [55] and [56]. Also some here on Blikk website.[57] A google search for his name and nemzeti sport shows multiple strong hits so may well be notable in Hungary. Canary757 (talk) 07:05, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above coverage (though the Nemzeti Sport links seem to be the same one), with even more coverage available in Hungarian language websites - Hatharom, Nemzeti Sport and interviewed in part in Bunteto. Interestingly, Nemzeti Sport in an article specifies that there was "another final success, but not from János"... that's gotta be at least some sign of notability that they've gotta specifically mention it wasn't him, right? Anyway, further research would benefit from using the Hungarian-language versions of his name - either "Végső János" or "Végső Jánosnak". ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 10:07, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Good extra source addedCanary757 (talk) 13:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Giacomo Milano

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Deleted article which was recently recreated with no significant improvements. Clear fail of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 23:13, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Seeing there are multiple Italian Ruby players up here made be look below WP:SPORTCRIT to see if there was a Rugby specific guideline. Seeing that there is WP:NRODEO but no Rugby guideline. Makes me think WP could use a Rubgy guideline. I do not have enough subject matter knowledge to want to attempt that though Czarking0 (talk) 01:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Basically all primary sources in the sense that they are published by the institutions he plays for. Does not seem to be notable enough in other respects. Googling his name only returns basic player stats. I also tried Italian google news and he does not come up. Czarking0 (talk) 01:17, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. Not eligible for Soft Deletion.
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Kyohei Hagiwara

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MMA fighter fails WP:NMMA (no evidence of ever ranking in world top 10 for division) and WP:NSPORT/WP:GNG for lack of WP:SIGCOV. Coverage in article (and in WP:BEFORE search) is routine match coverage and/or non-independent coverage on the website of his fighting federation. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:36, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Martial arts, and Japan. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:36, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No significant independent coverage. Match results are not significant and articles on Rizin's website are not independent. Fightmatrix has his current world ranking at #524, so he's not close to meeting WP:NMMA. Papaursa (talk) 17:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep there seems to be independent written match reporting (as opposed to just results) for some of his fights on Asian MMA - example Here I dont know enough about MMA coverage to know if this counts as significant coverage or not, but it seems like several taken together might… as well as plenty of Japanese sources if you search using his name in Kanji - This article of example for his fighting, and This article as an example of the coverage around his domestic violence scandal. All in all there seems to be enough coverage to satisfy general notability, and then it’s just a matter of someone adding the information from those sources to the article and citing them properly. Absurdum4242 (talk) 16:22, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even independent match reporting is not WP:SIGCOV of the individuals in the matches; see WP:NOTROUTINE. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:39, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: based on the comment above... The first article seems fine, second one is rather brief coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 21:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Both of the articles mentioned by Absurdum4242 are recaps of RIZIN 48 and focus on two things: Hagiwara's second 3 fight losing streak in his last 7 fights and the domestic abuse he was accused of that same day. His current ranking as the #549 featherweight by figthmatrix.com clearly doesn't show WP notability. I don't see how multiple sources reporting on the same fight card results with both reports mentioning charges being filed meets WP:GNG. It's clearly not a big enough event to provide notability on its own. The "no comments" or "we don't know" from fight officials does nothing to increase notability. Papaursa (talk) 03:06, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]