Wikipedia:Requested moves: Difference between revisions

For the current list of potentially controversial requested moves, see § Current discussions.

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For detailed guidance on how and when to move a page, see Wikipedia:Moving a page.

Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.

Please read the article titling policy and the guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

• Technical reasons may prevent a move; for example, a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or the page may be protected from moves. See: § Requesting technical moves.
• Requests to revert recent, undiscussed, controversial moves may be made at WP:RM/TR. If the new name has not become the stable title, the undiscussed move will be reverted. If the new name has become the stable title, a requested move will be needed to determine the article's proper location.
• A title may be disputed, and discussion may be necessary to reach consensus: see § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. The requested moves process is not mandatory, and sometimes an informal discussion at the article's talk page can help reach consensus.
• A page should not be moved and a new move discussion should not be opened when there is already an open move request on a talk page. Instead, please participate in the open discussion.
• Unregistered and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users are unable to move pages.

Requests are generally processed after seven days. If consensus to move the page is reached at or after this time, a reviewer will carry out the request. If there is a consensus not to move the page, the request will be closed as "not moved". When consensus remains unclear, the request may be relisted to allow more time for consensus to develop, or the discussion may be closed as "no consensus". See Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a move request as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of the move discussion to determine whether or not the contested close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines.

When not to use this page

Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

• Making an uncontroversial move – if you can, be bold and do it yourself! If you can't, see § Requesting technical moves.
• Renaming a category – propose the move at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion.
• Renaming a stub template – propose the move at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion.
• Renaming an image or other file – see Wikipedia:Moving a page § Moving a file page.
• Moves from draft namespace or user space to article space – Unconfirmed users: add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the article. See Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Confirmed users: Move the page yourself.
• Merging two articles – make a request at Wikipedia:Proposed mergers, or be bold and do it yourself.
• Splitting an article – make a request at Wikipedia:Proposed article splits, or be bold and do it yourself.
• Requesting that page histories be merged – list them at Wikipedia:Requests for history merge.
• Contesting a move request close – use the Wikipedia:Move review process.

Undiscussed moves

Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply:

• No article exists at the new target title;
• There has been no previous discussion about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and
• It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.

If you disagree with a prior bold move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move yourself. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons, then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves

If you are unable to complete a move for technical reasons, you can request technical help below. This is the correct method if you tried to move a page, but you got an error message saying something like "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reasons:..." or "The/This page could not be moved, for the following reason:..."

• To list a technical request: the Uncontroversial technical requests subsection and insert the following code at the bottom of the list, filling in pages and reason:

  {{subst:RMassist|current page title|new title|reason=edit summary for the move}}

  This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Please do not edit the article's talk page.
• If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ~~~~. Consider pinging the requester to let them know about the objection.
• If your technical request is contested, or if a contested request is left untouched without reply, create a requested move on the article talk and remove the request from the section here. The fastest and easiest way is to click the "discuss" button at the request, save the talk page, and remove the entry on this page.

Technical requests

Uncontroversial technical requests

• Roberto Rojas (Chilean footballer) (currently a redirect to Roberto Rojas) → Roberto Rojas (move · discuss) – Flagging as a copy-and-paste move that needs reverting and moving correctly. Belbury (talk) 10:18, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Contested technical requests

• René Waldeck-Rousseau, father (currently a redirect to René Waldeck-Rousseau (born 1809)) → René Waldeck-Rousseau (currently a redirect instead to Pierre Waldeck-Rousseau) (move · discuss) – I believe the creator of René's article added the disambiguator "father" because a page titled "Rene Waldeck-Rousseau" already existed as a redirect to his son, Pierre Waldeck-Rousseau. The title "father" is unnecessary here, and also transfers to the Dutch wiki via translation. Aleksamil (talk) 09:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Aleksamil René Waldeck-Rousseau seems to much more commonly be used to refer to the son than the father (see https://www.britannica.com/biography/Rene-Waldeck-Rousseau, and most of the links at Special:WhatLinksHere/René Waldeck-Rousseau are referring to the son). However, I agree that something like René Waldeck-Rousseau (born 1809) would be a more standard form of disambiguation. --Ahecht (TALK
  PAGE) 14:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Ahecht That's sensible. I saw that the French wiki largely refers to the son as Pierre, so I assumed the same would be the case for English-language sources as well. Should I move the son's article to "René Waldeck-Rousseau" in that case, and the father to "René Waldeck-Rousseau (born 1809)"? Aleksamil (talk) 21:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Aleksamil Since there was some controversy over the naming of the son's article back in 2009, I would suggest opening a formal move request on the move of Pierre to Rene. See Talk:Pierre Waldeck-Rousseau#First name --Ahecht (TALK
  PAGE) 00:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  I've gone ahead and done the move to René Waldeck-Rousseau (born 1809), however, since that seems uncontrovertial. --Ahecht (TALK
  PAGE) 19:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Cartoon Network (Central and Eastern Europe) → Cartoon Network (Central and Eastern European TV channel) (currently a redirect back to Cartoon Network (Central and Eastern Europe)) (move · discuss) – previous article name to match with all of the other international CN channels. VenezuelanSpongeBobFan2004 (talk) 18:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@VenezuelanSpongeBobFan2004 I am not seeing where this a reversion of a previous move, so I am changing the section this is in. Bensci54 (talk) 20:17, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

This seems like unnecessary disambiguation and goes against WP:CONCISE. Unless there's something I'm missing, it seems like if other international CN channels also include "TV Channel" they should have it removed as well. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 20:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@Bensci54 and Ahect: Don't mind if I list similar requests here for move reversions; actually, VenezuelanSpongeBobFan2004 is right, they are! Looking at the page history for this and similar others, WP:NCTV was cited as the reason. Even check out Nickelodeon (Israel). Intrisit (talk) 18:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

@Intrisit You're probably thinking of WP:NCBC ( WP:NCTV is about TV shows, not channels), but I don't see anything in there that says to use "TV channel" when just the country (or region) name is unambiguous. Looking at the page history of Nickelodeon (Israel), you tried to move it to Nickelodeon (Israeli TV channel) and an administrator immediately moved it back to Nickelodeon (Israel) because "TV channel" was unnecessary disambiguation. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 21:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

@Number 57: pinging the administrator who made the move reversion on mine with this without any addressing at my talk page (since I knew not at the time that it was twice moved to that title prior to their quick move reversions) to see if there'll be an agreement to remove the "(TV channel)" disambiguation in these such titles. Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

@VenezuelanSpongeBobFan2004: Even check out the page history of Nickelodeon (Israel). Intrisit (talk) 18:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• SpyHunter → SpyHunter (2001 video game) (currently a redirect back to SpyHunter) (move · discuss) – there are multiple games with that name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spy_Hunter_(disambiguation) FMSky (talk) 06:52, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

@FMSky The original video game was "Spy Hunter", not "SpyHunter". See WP:SMALLDETAILS. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 15:45, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

The spelling is bascially the same. A move could make it a lot less confusing --FMSky (talk) 00:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

@FMSky I don't always agree with WP:SMALLDETAILS either, but the consensus around here is generally that small differences in spacing and punctuation are sufficient, so this wouldn't be uncontroversial. If you want to discuss adding the additional disambiguation, you can click the "discuss" link in your request above to open a formal move request. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 19:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Habersham County, Georgia → Habersham County (currently a redirect back to Habersham County, Georgia) (move · discuss) – Place disambiguation is not necessary. Miklogfeather (talk) 16:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

@Miklogfeather The current name is standard per WP:USPLACE. Bensci54 (talk) 16:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Distribution center management system → Distribution Center Management System (currently a redirect back to Distribution center management system) (move · discuss) – Redirect should replace the target article so it uses title-case spelling. Article is about a specific proprietary system, not the general concept. Tule-hog (talk) 18:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Tule-hog I think a better solution here would be to expand the scope beyond the specific proprietary system. The article was about DCMS packages from many providers before this edit, and a quick Google search shows a variety of companies other than Eclipse that offer software they call a "distribution center management system" including SDI, Indus, JDA, Blue Yonder, etc. --Ahecht (TALK
  PAGE) 21:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Alternatively a place to elaborate on the non-proprietaries would be warehouse management system (along with expansion to distinguish the warehouse vs distribution center terms, which are somewhat nebulous but there are definitions to be found). I'm not sure two separate articles are warranted (could be wrong!). Tule-hog (talk) 22:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Tule-hog I certainly wouldn't object to just merging Distribution center management system into Warehouse management system. --Ahecht (TALK
  PAGE) 19:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Democratic and Popular Unity Party (currently a redirect to Democratic and Popular Union) → Democratic and Popular Unity (currently a redirect instead to Democratic and Popular Union) (move · discuss) – Previous move request was accepted but with "party" tacked on to the end. This despite "party" not being in the name and the fact that it is an electoral alliance not a political party. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 18:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Krisgabwoosh (talk) 18:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Doomsdayer520. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 21:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

I've moved it back to Democratic and Popular Union for the time being, as I think this is sufficently murky that a full discusison would be warranted in this instance. WHile there doesn't seem much call for adding Party on the end, I can see a case for either Union or Unity and Union is the long-term status quo. Ngrams show that in the party's heyday English sources were mainly using Unity, but in recent years there is a preference for Union.[1]  — Amakuru (talk) 21:53, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

In my opinion, this is an example of a feedback loop in which the name of the article on Wikipedia influences the wording used in other sources. As shown by the Ngrams, the name "Democratic and Popular Union" begins gaining traction around 2010, the same year the Wikipedia article name was changed. Given that, I think it would be appropriate to move back to the more accurate name. The current name would not have reflected most sources when it was first moved in 2010 and is only the status quo now because it was never corrected. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

@Krisgabwoosh moved to contested as it looks like a discussion may be necessary (technical requests are for simple situations, this looks like it might need some scrutiny to make sure we get it right) ASUKITE 14:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm the one who moved this to "...Party" yesterday and that was an informed action based on my reading of available sources (at least in English). If that was the wrong way to go then so be it, but it indicates the confusing state of sources on this organization. Also, the article is such a mess in its current form that I'm surprised it was never nominated for deletion. If anyone plans to actually clean it up, their research might help nail down the best way to present the organization's name. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 18:42, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more. Intrisit (talk) 20:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves

The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. A move is potentially controversial if either of the following applies:

• there has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
• someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests, such as to correct obvious typographical errors, see Requesting technical moves. The technical moves procedure can also be used for uncontroversial moves when the requested title is occupied by an existing article.

Do not create a new move request when one is already open on the same talk page. Instead, consider contributing to the open discussion if you would like to propose another alternative. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Do not create a move request to rename one or more redirects. Redirects cannot be used as current titles in requested moves.

Requesting a single page move

To request a single page move, click on the "New section" (or "Add topic") tab of the talk page of the article you want moved, without adding a new subject/header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move|New name|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.}}

Replace New name with the requested new name of the page (or with a simple question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). The template will automatically create the heading "Requested move 11 October 2024" and sign the post for you.

There is no need to edit the article in question. Once the above code is added to the Talk page, a bot will automatically add the following notification at the top of the affected page:

Unlike other request processes on Wikipedia, such as Requests for comment, nominations need not be neutral. Make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Google Ngrams and pageview statistics) and refer to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topics.

WikiProjects may subscribe to Article alerts to receive RM notifications. For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Article alerts/Requested moves is transcluded to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography. RMCD bot notifies many of the other Wikiprojects listed on the talk page of the article to be moved to invite project members to participate in the RM discussion. Requesters should feel free to notify any other Wikiproject or noticeboard that might be interested in the move request, as long as this notification is neutral.

Single page move on a different talk page

Occasionally, a move request must be made on a talk page other than the talk page of the page to be moved. For example, a request to rename Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing and templates would need to take place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation because the talk page of the project page to be moved, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources, is a redirect to that centralized discussion page. In this type of case, the requested move should be made using the following code:

{{subst:requested move|reason=(the reason for the page move goes here).|current1=(present title of page to be renamed)|new1=(proposed title of page)}}

The |1= unnamed parameter is not used. The |current1= and |new1= parameters are used similar to multiple page moves described below.

Requesting multiple page moves

A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected pages, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

To request a multiple page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you chose for your request, without adding a new header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move
| current1 = Current title of page 1 (this parameter can be omitted for discussions hosted on a page that is proposed to be moved)
| new1     = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2     = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3     = New title for page 3
| reason   = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.
}}

See also: Template:Requested move/extended blank

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia with current1 set to Wikipedia and current2 set to Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article where the template is placed (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign the request with ~~~~, since the template does this automatically (so if you sign it yourself there will be two copies of your signature at the end of the request). Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of all pages that are included in your request except the one hosting the discussion, to call attention to the move discussion that is in progress and to suggest that all discussion for all of the pages included in the request should take place at that one hosting location.

For multi-move discussions hosted on a page which is itself proposed to be moved, it is not necessary to include the |current1=Current title of page 1 for the page hosting the discussion, as its current title can be inferred automatically. Occasionally the discussions for significant multi-move requests may be hosted on WikiProject talk pages or other pages in Project namespace, in which case it is necessary to include |current1= to indicate the first article to be moved.

Request all associated moves explicitly

Please list every move that you wish to have made in your request. For example, if you wish to move Cricket (disambiguation) to Cricket because you do not believe the sport is the primary topic for the search term "Cricket", then you actually want to move two pages, both Cricket (disambiguation) and Cricket. Thus you must list proposed titles for each page affected by your request. For example, you might propose:

• Cricket → Cricket (sport)
• Cricket (disambiguation) → Cricket

If a new title is not proposed for the sport, it is more difficult to achieve consensus for a new title for that article. A move request that does not show what to do with the material at its proposed target, such as:

• Cricket (disambiguation) → Cricket

is incomplete. Such requests may be completed as a request to decide the best new title by discussion.

• Cricket → ?

If a disambiguation page is in the way of a move, the request may be completed as proposing to add (disambiguation).

• Example → Example (disambiguation)

Template usage examples and notes

Talk page tag	Text that will be shown (and usage notes)
{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why}} links talk edit	Requested move 11 October 2024 Wikipedia:Requested moves → New – why Example (talk) 10:39, 11 October 2024 (UTC) Use when the proposed new title is given. Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:. This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.
{{subst:Requested move|?|reason=why}}	Requested move 11 October 2024 Wikipedia:Requested moves → ? – why Example (talk) 10:39, 11 October 2024 (UTC) Use when the proposed new title is not known. Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:. This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.
{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why|talk=yes}}	Requested move 11 October 2024 Wikipedia:Requested moves → New – why Example (talk) 10:39, 11 October 2024‎ (UTC) Survey Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this subsection with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles. Discussion Any additional comments: This template adds subsections for survey and discussion. Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst: Click the "New Section" tab on the talk page and leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template by default automatically creates the heading.
{{subst:Requested move|new1=x|current2=y|new2=z|reason=why}}	Requested move 11 October 2024 Wikipedia:Requested moves → X y → Z – why Example (talk) 10:39, 11 October 2024 (UTC) Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst: and place this tag at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion. Add additional related move requests in pairs (|current3= and |new3=, |current4= and |new4=, etc.).
{{subst:Requested move|new1=?|current2=y|new2=?|reason=why}}	Requested move 11 October 2024 Wikipedia:Requested moves → ? y → ? – why Example (talk) 10:39, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Commenting on a requested move

All editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion regarding a requested page move. There are a number of standards that Wikipedians should practice in such discussions:

• When editors recommend a course of action, they write Support or Oppose in bold text, which is done by surrounding the word with three single quotes on each side, e.g. '''Support'''.
• Comments or recommendations are added on a new bulleted line (that is, starting with *) and signed by adding ~~~~ to the end. Responses to another editor are threaded and indented using multiple bullets.
• The article itself should be reviewed before any recommendation is made; do not base recommendations solely on the information supplied by other editors. It may also help to look at the article's edit history. However, please read the earlier comments and recommendations, as well as prior move requests. They may contain relevant arguments and useful information.
• Vested interests in the article should be disclosed per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest § How to disclose a COI.

When participating, please consider the following:

• Editors should make themselves familiar with the article titling policy at Wikipedia:Article titles.
• Other important guidelines that set forth community norms for article titles include Wikipedia:Disambiguation, specific naming conventions, and the manual of style.
• The debate is not a vote; please do not make recommendations that are not sustained by arguments.
• Explain how the proposed article title meets or contravenes policy and guidelines rather than merely stating that it does so.
• Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line.
• Do not make conflicting recommendations. If you change your mind, use strike-through to retract your previous statement by enclosing it between <s> and </s> after the bullets, and de-bold the struck words, as in "• Support Oppose".

Please remember that reasonable editors will sometimes disagree, but that arguments based in policy, guidelines, and evidence have more weight than unsupported statements. When an editor offers an argument that does not explain how the move request is consistent with policies and guidelines, a reminder to engage in constructive, on-topic discussion may be useful. On the other hand, a pattern of responding to requests with groundless opinion, proof by assertion, and ignoring content guidelines may become disruptive. If a pattern of disruptive behavior persists after efforts are made to correct the situation through dialogue, please consider using a dispute resolution process.

Closing a requested move

Any uninvolved editor in good standing may close a move request. Please read the closing instructions for information on how to close a move request. The Simple guide to closing RM discussions details how to actually close a requested move discussion.

Relisting a requested move

Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. In general, discussions should not be relisted more than once before properly closing. Users relisting a debate which has already been relisted, or relisting a debate with a substantial discussion, should write a short explanation on why they did not consider the debate sufficient to close. While there is no consensus forbidding participation in a requested move discussion after relisting it, many editors consider it an inadvisable form of supervote. If you want to relist a discussion and then participate in it, be prepared to explain why you think it was appropriate.

Relisting should be done using {{subst:RM relist}}, which automatically includes the relister's signature, and which must be placed at the very end of the initial request after the move requester's signature (and subsequent relisters' signatures).

When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions; there is no required length of time to wait before closing a relisted discussion.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion, such as by notifying WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}}. Banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request can often be used to identify WikiProjects suitable for notification.

Current discussions

This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 60 discussions have been relisted.

October 11, 2024

• (Discuss) – NBA Finals Most Valuable Player award → NBA Finals Most Valuable Player Award – There seems to be some inconsistency with the naming conventions of the NBA award articles. The listed articles use the uncapitalized "award" while the rest of the related articles use the capitalized "Award". I think it should be capitalized since it is specifically the NBA's award, but I can see the opposition that "award" should not capitalized because of it being a generic term like "NBA playoffs". If this is opposed, it might be that the other award articles use "award" instead of "Award", maybe in a separate discussion. MarcusAbacus (talk) 06:00, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
  • NBA All-Star Game Kobe Bryant Most Valuable Player award → NBA All-Star Game Kobe Bryant Most Valuable Player Award
  • NBA conference finals Most Valuable Player award → NBA conference finals Most Valuable Player Award

• (Discuss) – Chris Conley → Chris Conley (musician) – no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC Joeykai (talk) 04:30, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Brian O'Keefe → Brian O'Keefe (footballer) – no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC Joeykai (talk) 04:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Daniel Edelman → Daniel Edelman (businessman) – no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC Joeykai (talk) 04:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

October 10, 2024

• (Discuss) – UniTeam Alliance → UniTeam – I tried Google News search to find articles that use the term "UniTeam Alliance" (both words on that order). On the first page, there was just two of tem, this and this, and both decapitalize "alliance", making it like an adjective instead of a part of a proper name. This means that the actual predominantly used name is "UniTeam", with "Team" already denoting a group of people, so "Team" and "Alliance" together sounds redundant. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Siege of Gerona (disambiguation) → Sieges of Gerona – Several issues I hope to address with these proposed moves. First, it makes little sense to have the "second" and "third" sieges as titles but to call the first event a battle; of the three is was the most like a battle, but the distinction is confusing in this case. It does seem that [ordinal] siege of Gerona is the most common manner of disambiguating the various events. If the first segment were to carry the WP:COMMONNAME "Battle" then it should not carry a parenthetical qualifier, being already WP:NATURALly disambiguated and the primary topic for the term; the base name Battle of Girona already redirects there and is WP:MISPLACED. Second, when used alone without additional context, "Siege of Gerona" does seem to refer to the successful final siege as a primary topic, and currently redirects there. I am proposing to leave this as a primary redirect and turn the disambiguation page into a set index at the plural, but I would also support having the set index in place of the redirect at the singular. Third, while I personally feel "Siege" in these titles is part of the proper noun, use in sources is mixed, and most "siege" articles on enwiki do not take siege as part of the proper noun (in contrast to "Battle of..." which is almost always part of the proper noun; I don't see the distinction) and WP:MILCAPS is vague, so for now let's go for being the most consistent. Lastly, as for the Girona vs. Gerona issue, there has been past move reversions and discussion about this (e.g. Talk:Third siege of Girona#Girona/Gerona), and we should reach consensus here. I am open to either spelling, but am proposing a return to Gerona because it does seem a majority of reliable sources use this spelling, and that is the criterion upon which we should base our choice. On the other hand, the modern spelling of the city is the Catalan spelling. Regardless, the set index/disambiguation page should use the same spelling as the articles. Overall, I am open to discussing and considering any and all variations of this proposal, but the status quo should not be kept. Mdewman6 (talk) 04:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Battle of Girona (1808) → First siege of Gerona
  • Second siege of Girona → Second siege of Gerona
  • Third siege of Girona → Third siege of Gerona

• (Discuss) – States General of the Netherlands → States General – Per WP:PRECISION. The States General of the Netherlands are one of only two bodies actually called "States(-)General" listed on the dab page, the other being the short-lived and long disbanded States General of the Batavian Republic (which could probably be merged into this article but that's another discussion for another time). All others are known as Estates-General (except the Catalonian body, the title of which is not translated). estar8806 (talk) ★ 21:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
  • States-General → Estates-General

• (Discuss) – LGBTQ → LGBTQ+ – The name "LGBTQ+" is the name for the community. Kolano123 (talk) 19:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Don Marshall → Donnie Marshall – Donald Marshall the hockey player has sadly passed away. The Canadian Press (republished by TSN, The Hamilton Spectator, The Waterloo Region Record, and The Times Colonist), as well as the Canadiens themselves, seem to have Donnie as his common-use nickname - I can't find any sources using "Don." This would also allow the actor's page to be moved simply to "Don Marshall", without a disambiguator. The current Donnie R. Marshall has the middle initial as a differentiator - we can use a hatnote for those who end up in the wrong spot. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Don Marshall (actor) → Don Marshall

• (Discuss) – Johnny Blaze → Johnny Blaze (disambiguation) – The primary topic is Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), the most prominent Ghost Rider character. Two other meanings are listed on the disambiguation page. One is reflected in the target article as one entry in an indefinitely long list of at least 15 alternative names for a professional wrestler (supported by a dead link citation with an archive link that doesn't seem to be working either), and the other is reflected in the target article as an entry in a list of four alternative names for a rapper (with no source cited). I would just do this WP:BOLDly, as the case seems obvious, but it has been said that primary topic grabs should always be considered potentially controversial, and this would revert a move performed in 2006. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:21, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Directorate of Religious Affairs → Presidency of Religious Affairs – The current title seems its administrative division/unit. Suggested title it the current and original name of this organization[2]. Turkish Wikipedia also uses the suggested title here. The English Wikipedia also indicate Diyanet İşleri Başkanlığı means Presidency of Religious Affairs. The official website also uses the suggested title. The original title was moved by a sock without discussion. Please see [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9] The organisation history says, "By the Law 5634, published on 29.04.1950, “Diyanet İşleri Reisliği” (Directorate of Religious Affairs) was changed as “Diyanet İşleri Başkanlığı” (Presidency of Religious Affairs)"[10] TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 18:09, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Geena Davis Institute on Gender in Media → Geena Davis Institute – I'm requesting this move as part of my work for Beutler Ink on behalf of the Geena Davis Institute. Earlier in 2024, the organization has changed it's name from "Geena Davis Institute on Gender in Media" to "Geena Davis Institute". The organization wrote about the change here. @Likeanechointheforest: Pinging you here since we discussed the move in the conversation above. Thank you for considering this move. Cheers! BINK Robin (talk) 17:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Apartheid → Apartheid in South Africa – For the reason Nick Levine stated above and since the United Nations has accepted the apartheid as a term in and of itself and as general crime that can be committed anywhere outside SA, it just doesn't make any sense to keep the article subject bound to the historical event in SA. I mean, the Holocaust was the reason to make laws against genocides but it doesn't make sense to make the article Genocide bound to Holocaust and another one called Crime of genocide for all other genocides! ☆SuperNinja2☆ TALK! 17:12, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – List of armed conflicts involving Poland against Turkey → List of Polish–Ottoman wars – All these wars involved the Ottoman Empire, not the modern Republic of Turkey. The main category is Category:Polish–Ottoman wars, while armed conflicts involved country A against country B does not follow established title conventions, and might have WP:POV issues. Per WP:TITLECON, it should be List of Polish–Ottoman wars. NLeeuw (talk) 14:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 16:50, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – BabyMonster → Babymonster – Opening a discussion on whether or not the name of this group should be "Babymonster", or continue to be represented in camelcase as "BabyMonster". The most common way the name is presented in RS is in the all-caps stylization, which doesn't help us here. I've dug through pages and pages of sources looking for instances where they mention the group not using all caps: Reliable English-language sources for "Babymonster": *ABS-CBN News *The Korea Times *The Korea Herald *AsiaOne *The Chosun Ilbo *United Press International *Yonhap News Agency *Tatler Magazine *Korean Broadcasting Service *The Straits Times *The Hankook Ilbo Reliable English-language sources for "BabyMonster": *Korea JoongAng Daily *Vogue Singapore *Variety *The Chosun Ilbo *United Press International *Maeil Business Times *Korea Economic Daily *The Hankook Ilbo There are also some sources that use "Baby Monster" (two separate words) but I think those are outliers. I've dug through all of YG Entertainment's official releases (including their yearly reports and financial releases) and can find no mention of the band as anything but the all caps stylization so they're of no help either. Past YG Entertainment precedent doesn't really help us either... Blackpink doesn't use camelcase, but BigBang does. The guideline at MOS:CAMELCASE defers to whatever appears to be most common but there is no clear majority here; based on what I've found in English-language RS, "Babymonster" has a very slight edge. This article's assertion that the group's name is commonly shortened to "Baemon" (not "BaeMon") might be considered an additional point in no-camelcase's favour. Does anyone know of any official sources where YG has stated one way or the other? That'd settle it. RachelTensions (talk) 16:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Wonyoung → Jang Wonyoung – Cracking open a discussion on moving Wonyoung to Jang Wonyoung. Back in July there was a proposal to move from Jang Won-young to Jang Wonyoung, but the article ended up being moved to Wonyoung instead without much discussion or supporting evidence. It doesn't seem like the subject of the article has ever been known as "Wonyoung" in any official capacity; she was known as "Jang Won-yong" in Iz*One, and is specifically one of two members of IVE that officially use their full names, not a mononym (the other being An Yujin). See: IVE official listing at Starship Entertainment, and official Spotify artist page. In addition, English-language reliable sources seem to commonly refer to her non-monomously (at least as commonly as they do mononomously): Dazed Magazine, Maeil Business Newspaper, Korea JoongAng Daily, WWD, The Korea Times, The Sun, Republic, South China Morning Post, The Korea Herald, The Chosun Ilbo, Yonhap News Agency, The Korea Economic Daily, The Hankook Ilbo, Aju News Corporation, Korea Broadcasting System I think that given that there are some sources that refer to her mononomously, and some sources that refer to her with the full name, we should defer to the way she is known officially unless the evidence to refer to her otherwise is overwhelming. She is officially non-mononomous in all her professional solo MCing and hosting credits, her group work (both groups), her agency, etc. The only quasi-official place she's used "Wonyoung" is her Instagram name and even that's debatable because immediately prior to that she calls herself "Jang Wonyoung" in Hangul. RachelTensions (talk) 12:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – UMAC → UMAC (cryptography) – I don't think UMAC has a primary topic, and even if it does it's University of Macau, not this article. Hence, the dab should get the base name. Danski454 (talk) 11:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
  • UMAC (disambiguation) → UMAC

• (Discuss) – Over Your Dead Body → Over Your Dead Body (film) – The little-seen (box office:$1.1 million) Japanese film does not appear to be primary since WP:ONEOTHER entry Over Your Dead Body (novel) is part of a popular series. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:32, 2 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Arnav Bhate (talk • contribs) 11:45, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Over Your Dead Body (disambiguation) → Over Your Dead Body

• (Discuss) – Children's Hall station → Children's World Station – The station name has been officially changed. 175.210.253.70 (talk) 11:12, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Kamippoi na → God-ish – "Kamippoi na" is the Hepburn romanization of the official Japanese title, which should be changed to "God-ish", the official English title. Ycfjgt (talk) 11:12, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Danna (disambiguation) → Danna – The singer still known as "Danna Paola", despite her stage name change,[11] is hardly the primary topic. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 00:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. SilverLocust 💬 08:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – 2024 Israeli military operation in the West Bank → Operation Summer Camps – While the operation has been given two names (by the two sides) "Operation Summer Camps" appears to be the name most widely used in sources. (Simply look up "Operation Summer Camps" vs "Horror of the Camps operation" in Google news to see what I mean.) Additionally, using the Israeli name of the operation is also in parallel to Operation Defensive Shield, which is, interestingly, the other big large-scale West Bank operation to which this ongoing one has been compared to. Evaporation123 (talk) 04:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Arnav Bhate (talk • contribs) 17:27, 2 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:36, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Asgard (archaea) → Asgard (Archaea) – Archaea should be capitalised to signify that it is the domain, not the common name, which excludes eukaryotes. Grey Clownfish (talk) 07:47, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Sky Blu → Sky Blu (Antarctica) – Primary topic swap. See pageviews[12], which paint a pretty clear picture. 162 etc. (talk) 06:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Sky Blu (rapper) → Sky Blu

• (Discuss) – Recon → Recon (disambiguation) – Move both to create primary redirects to Reconnaissance, the primary topic. 162 etc. (talk) 06:12, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Recce → Recce (disambiguation)

• (Discuss) – Flash (DC Comics character) → The Flash – Per WP:NATURALDIS, naturally disambiguated titles (in this case, The Flash) are generally preferable to parenthetical disambiguation (the current article title). While WP:THE usually discourages use of a "the" at the beginning of article titles, this RFC there has concluded that exceptions are allowed in the event that it would provide natural disambiguation, which is the case for this article. In any case, this title is probably the best option for this article. This character is almost exclusively referred to as "the Flash", never just "Flash". The main comic series is called The Flash, and there are two different major television series and a movie called The Flash, not just Flash. Plus, The Flash already redirects here so this article is already the primary topic for the term "The Flash". Ladtrack (talk) 04:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Bankstown Line → Liverpool & Inner West Line – As per discussions previously, the article title should be renamed to Liverpool & Inner West Line with Bankstown Line redirecting to Liverpool & Inner West Line. GarbageKarate (talk) 00:36, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

October 9, 2024

• (Discuss) – List of Pokémon → List of Pokémon species – This is more specific. And consistent as non-species anime and video game characters are also carry parenthetical disambiguator (Pokémon) in their title (eg. Brock (Pokémon)). Web-julio (talk) 23:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Glasshoughton → Glass Houghton – Per the Ordnance Survey, this is the current name and the name of the former parish. KEPN uses 2 words even though its station uses just 1. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Islamic State – Sahil Province → Islamic State – Sahel Province – “Sahil” is the Arabic transliteration for “Sahel”, which is in English. If we have to keep it as “Sahil” then by that logic we would have to move Islamic State – Khorasan Province to Islamic State – Khurasan Province. Anyways, my point is that I do not recall any sources using the term “Sahil Province” rather than “Sahel Province”; if there are any sources which show Sahil Province, then feel free to show them. TheLibyanGuy (talk) 21:01, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Ángel Gómez (football manager) → Ángel Gómez (footballer, born 1976) – I had created this page using his full name instead of a disambiguator because I was unsure what to do with a person who was an amateur regional footballer, a manager for three months, and most known as a director of football. Consensus is building on WT:FOOTY that there is precedent that people who have been football players have the disambiguator "footballer", even if their playing career was at a much lower level to the rest of their football work. Taking this to WP:RM to get the final seal of approval after page was moved to "football manager" today. Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Deviance → Deviance (disambiguation) – content of article is tangence with society concept Stricto sensu of name de facto . 2804:14C:5BB1:9473:4590:EDE6:C060:C26F (talk) 20:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Deviance (sociology) → Deviance

• (Discuss) – Pterois → Lionfish – The COMMONNAME of the genus pterosis is overwhelming "lionfish". No other genus shares the name, and other species called "lionfish" outside the genus are already naturally disambiguated. Ortizesp (talk) 16:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Michael Magee → Michael Magee (actor) – Not at all clear that the Canadian actor would be a permanent WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this name, over and above other people in the disambiguation page. In fact, comparing him just to Michael Magee (writer) alone, the writer has the higher page views — only on September 21 did the writer dip below the actor in page views, and even then only by a whopping total of two, while the overall average over the past three weeks was 29 daily views for the writer to 13 daily views for the actor. (That's obviously not enough of a difference to render the writer into primary topic either, so the base title should be a disambiguation page, but it is enough to wreck any claim that the actor should be the primary topic.) And I even just caught a case where one of the writer's novels existed as a redirect to the actor instead of to the writer, which I've already corrected. The actor was largely only ever known in Canada, and even then was almost better known by the character pseudonym "Fred C. Dobbs" than by his own real name, so he's hardly a universal primary topic to the world. Bearcat (talk) 15:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Michael Magee (disambiguation) → Michael Magee

• (Discuss) – Parsley massacre → 1937 massacre of Haitians in the Dominican Republic – As stated in the article and backed up by citations, the current article title has been shown by academic research to be a misnomer. Furthermore, it is less recognizable than a descriptive title and there is no evidence that it is the WP:COMMONNAME. (Although it's hard to count, from Google Scholar results it appears that the majority of sources about this topic are using some kind of descriptive title,[13] rather than Parsley massacre.) (t · c) buidhe 14:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 13:36, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Defiance → Defiance (Disambiguation) – content of article is tangence with society concept Stricto sensu of name de facto 2804:14C:5BB1:9473:D501:D410:8870:D5EE (talk) 13:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Heiningen → Heiningen, Baden-Württemberg – Per page views, it seems rather unclear how to distinguish a primary topic between the current de facto primary topic and Heiningen, Lower Saxony. For this reason, the current de facto primary topic should be displaced and the former title replaced with a disambiguation page. Steel1943 (talk) 07:09, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Larnoch Road murders → Killing of Leah Stephens – All convictions have been overturned, with one defendant possibly facing a retrial.[14] Per the WP:DEATHS flowchart, this would seem to be an appropriate title pending any retrial that may take place. Muzilon (talk) 05:33, 2 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 07:03, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Fishing Lakes → Calling Lakes – The widely used name for these lakes amongst local governments and organization is no longer Fishing Lakes. It has been replaced by Calling Lakes with Qu'Appelle, a french word that means "who calls", as the second most common name usage. The locale is predominantly English speakers with french being another official language in the country. It is less ambiguous to use the proper Calling Lakes name as search engine results for Fishing Lakes will bring content for lakes in general that are good to fish at regardless of location. Therefore fishing lakes is an ambiguous place name and should be demoted. 198.245.116.192 (talk) 04:17, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Weak artificial intelligence → Narrow artificial intelligence – the term "Weak artificial intelligence" is ambiguous and confusing, contrary to the term "Narrow artificial intelligence", which is basically AI designed for a narrow range of tasks. This is also most of what the article is about, although we could keep a section covering the term "Weak AI". The title "Narrow AI" can also be considered. Alenoach (talk) 00:43, 2 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Raladic (talk) 01:37, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Yemen women's national football team → Women's football in Yemen – While the AfD from five years ago closed as keep, I think the focus of this article should be women's football overall in Yemen. I have found no secondary sources to indicate that this "team" has ever played a match (page 216 of this PDF lists no matches from 2002 to 2006, and the team has never appeared in the FIFA Women's World Rankings). While this FIFA PDF from 2009 indicated there was a women's "A" team, I could not find any secondary sources to corroborate this. It's also worth noting the data would have been reported by the Yemeni FA to FIFA, so it is not exactly a reliable indicator of whether a team exists. Maybe there is a training system/youth development, but I don't think that is enough to prove the existence of an official women's national team; that requires playing a match. S.A. Julio (talk) 00:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Power Stone (video game) → Power Stone – Clear primary topic. The other entries (seen on Power Stone) are either derivatives of Power Stone (video game) or don't exist as an article anyway (i.e. Power Stone (Marvel Cinematic Universe)). Sceeegt (talk) 00:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Power Stone → Power Stone (disambiguation) over redirect without leaving a redirect (implied), then WP:G14 delete if unnecessary

October 8, 2024

• (Discuss) – Walton-on-the-Hill → Walton-on-the-Hill, Surrey – No clear primary topic, the Surrey one has 310 views but the Staffordshire one has 44 and the Liverpool one has 1,616. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:45, 30 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 22:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Tedcastles Oil Products → Top Oil – This business has not been known as Tedcastles Oil Products since the 1990s, and has been known as Top Oil since 1998. This is its common name, by which most people would recognise it. Most people would never have heard of Tedcastles Oil Products. The business is owned by Irving Oil, so it's not even that the current article title reflects its owner's name. Gatepainter (talk) 22:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Fajr-3 → Fajr-3 (artillery rocket) – Per page views, specifically between the current de facto primary topic and Fajr-3 (missile), there is WP:NOPRIMARY. Steel1943 (talk) 21:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Fajr-3 (disambiguation) → Fajr-3

• (Discuss) – Just Once in My Life → Just Once in My Life (song) – Per page views versus Just Once in My Life (album), seems like a WP:NOPRIMARY situation. Steel1943 (talk) 21:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Turkish Women's Football Super League → Women's Football Super League – The closest title to this name is Women's Super League, while this is officially called the Women's Football Super League. There is no other "Women's Football Super League", why should the title have Turkish in it. So it's redundant. I think the official name will fit better. Here is an official source referring to this name. Beshogur (talk) 17:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Panther Creek High School (Texas) → Panther Creek High School (Valera, Texas) – There are 2 high schools in Texas under the name of Panther Creek High School. This one and Panther Creek High School (Frisco, Texas) نوح^{فث   Let's Chat!} 16:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Czech Republic → Czechia – So, this is a perennial topic, but we said we would return to it in October to re-evaluate in the light of the Olympics, which is the latest in a long string of contexts in which we have recently seen a rapid change in usage. Before we get into arguments on the details, can we perhaps first have clarity on the criteria? These are laid down at Wikipedia:Article titles. May I suggest that everybody read that before they comment here? I think we can save ourselves a lot of time if we all agree to follow policy. Past discussions have suffered a lot from misinformation about this. Assuming that a subject has more than one title in reliable sources, the choice should be made primarily on five key criteria (shortcut WP:CRITERIA): recognizability (defined to mean that someone familiar with the topic will know what is meant), naturalness (meaning people will find it in a search), precision (what is most correct), concision (fewer words are better than more) and consistency (the article title follows a similar pattern to other articles on parallel topics). The policy page then goes on to talk about the rule of thumb that it is helpful to find the most commonly recognizable name (shortcut WP:COMMONNAME), not as an end in itself, but because this will often shed light on what best meets the five criteria. The logic is that if experts in the field have come to a consensus on terminology, they will usually have alighted on something that is recognizable, natural, precise, concise and consistent. So for present purposes, common name means what is commonly used by relevant authoritative voices. It specifically does not mean we should follow whatever is statistically most commonly used by people on the street who may have limited familiarity with the topic, and the policy page warns against giving too much weight to Google hits and the likes. Rather, "[i]n determining which of several alternative names is most frequently used, it is useful to observe the usage of major international organizations, major English-language media outlets, quality encyclopedias, geographic name servers, major scientific bodies, and notable scientific journals." I hope we can agree on those principles. So how do they apply to this case? Here's my take. Czechia seems to me to fit all the five criteria, and on three of the five, it fits better than Czech Republic. # recognizability – both options are equally recognizable; we’re way beyond the point where anyone might not know what is meant by Czechia. # naturalness – this is subjective, but I think people will find us, so again I don’t think there is anything here to speak against the move. # precision – this one matters. The most correct name for a country or a people is the name it chooses for itself. The Czech government has asked the English-speaking world to use Czechia. That fact trumps all others on the question of correctness. # concision – one word rather than two is not a massive difference, but Czechia wins there too. # consistency with other articles – this is the biggie. I can’t think of any other country for which Wikipedia uses the long, official-sounding name as the article title when there is also a short, colloquial one. Actually, the policy page on article names specifically gives the example that we should use North Korea, not Democratic People's Republic of Korea. So our article title Czech Republic is a total outlier. So on precision and consistency there are strong arguments for a move, and the other three criteria certainly don’t speak against one. I think those arguments have been made and won long ago. The reason we have not had a consensus to change is because of judgments about what is the common name. In my opinion these have been problematic for two reasons. First, it has been repeated here like a mantra that common name is all that matters – in fact the policy page is quite clear that common name is subsidiary to the five naming criteria. And secondly, it has been treated as though common name means what is statistically most frequently used – sorry, but if we based this on a vox pop on the streets of Birmingham or Chicago, we would end up moving back to Czechoslovakia! Google hit counts can be part of our thinking, but not a big part of it. Rather, common name means: what is used by people professionally involved with the topic. Here we have to be careful to look at recent sources, because usage is changing fast. The policy page gives us suggestions for how to decide this, and if we follow these, the argument for Czechia now being the common name is beginning to look strong: # The usage of international organizations – it is significant that this is the policy page’s number-one pointer to common name, and here we have observed a landslide in the direction of Czechia in the last couple of years. It is now used by the diplomatic arm of the Czech government, the EU, the UN, NATO, the Council of Europe, the British Foreign Office, the American State Department, the CIA, the Olympics, UEFA, the Eurovision Song Contest, and many, many others. # Media – I don’t have an overview here, so I’ll let someone else discuss that, but I’m certainly seeing it in the newspapers. # Quality encyclopedias – I’m not sure there are any recent enough to reflect current changes. # Geographic name servers – A cursory survey suggests these usually recognize Czechia. I think the likes of Google Maps would be highly relevant here, and it now uses Czechia. # Scientific bodies and journals – My impressions are probably anecdotal, but the university people I know in Czech studies have been using Czechia for years. We see it prescribed in style-sheets for academic publishing. I’m sure there is a lot of evidence in both directions that other people can add here, but please concentrate on these kinds of authorities. Common name is NOT about hit-counts. Obviously even authorities who now prefer Czechia will still use Czech Republic wherever they would use French Republic or Republic of France. The point is not that the long form has gone, but that the short form is used when the short form of any other country would be used. I submit that for the most part, the relevant authorities have now reached that point. Doric Loon (talk) 04:32, 1 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BD2412 T 16:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Tico of the Seven Seas → Tico & Friends – English title… VenezuelanSpongeBobFan2004 (talk) 15:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Gene White → Gene White (basketball player) – Between this pair of stubs (Gene White and Gene White (American football)) I am not seeing a primary topic, particularly considering the existence of Eugene White and the potential for confusion with Jean White (disambiguation). BD2412 T 15:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Hitachi Zosen Corporation → Kanadevia Corporation – This is because the company name changed on October 1, 2024. Timexdx (talk) 12:15, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Hitachi Zosen Inova → Kanadevia Inova

• (Discuss) – A. A. Rahim (Keralan politician) → A. A. Rahim (????) – Okay, so this is partly my fault. I spotted that this article was previously residing at A. A. Rahim (politician), which wasn't sufficient to disambiguate from A. A. Rahim who was also a politician, so moved it to A. A. Rahim (Keralan politician). However, I was ignorant to the fact that Kollam is also in Kerala, so I still haven't fully disambiguated it. I'm sure moving this to something fully disambiguated is not controversial, however, not really sure where best to move it to now. --woodensuperman 12:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Dendy → Dendy (disambiguation) – Clear primary topic by pageviews, with massively more than the theater chain, or any of the people (though that would fall under WP:PTM). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Dendy (console) → Dendy

• (Discuss) – Grey parrot → Congo grey parrot – The Timneh parrot was traditionally considered a grey parrot. Continuing to call the species Psittacus erithacus the "grey parrot" after the split is incredibly misleading, suggesting that the Timneh parrot is still included, even though it is not. Common names do not have type specimens/species. They are population-based, not type-based. If the concept of "grey parrots" included Timneh parrots prior to the split, it must continue to do so. I understand that Clements Checklist calls the Congo grey parrot "Gray Parrot", but in the minds of most people "grey parrot" and "African grey parrot" still refer to the entire genus. Grey Clownfish (talk) 07:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Psittacus → African grey parrot

• (Discuss) – Articulata hypothesis → Articulata (superphylum) – The title "Articulata hypothesis" is misleading, as its true subject isn't the hypothesis, but the taxon. What's more, any taxon named "Articulata" is part of a hypothesis. Now it's true that there is no ancestor taxon that we can use to disambiguate here, as the parent is Protostomia, which is an ancestor of Articulata (Brachiopoda) and Articulata (Cyclostomata) too. Hence we use the rank. The other 3 Articulatas are all below phylum. Grey Clownfish (talk) 07:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Huh Yun-jin → Huh Yunjin – Similarly to Kim Chaewon, proposing removing hyphen from name as it seems: * the subject seemingly has a preference that her name not be romanized with the hyphen (Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean)) * the subject's name is romanized with no hyphen in all official releases, and by the subject's agency * the name is romanized without the hyphen in a large number of English-language reliable sources (WP:COMMONNAME) Examples: Nylon Magazine, People Magazine, NME, Billboard, Consequence, W Magazine, Dazed, USA TODAY, Cosmopolitan, Wired, Bandwagon, Star News Korea, Rolling Stone, The Korea Times, Dork Magazine, The Line of Best Fit, Uproxx, Yonhap News Agency, The Korea Herald, The Hankook Ilbo, Korea JoongAng Daily, Maeil Business Times Of course, you'll also find some sources that romanize it with the hyphen. But I'd argue that the subject's assumed preference that her name be romanized without the hyphen (WP:NCKO) (per her social media romanizing without the hyphen[15] , all solo releases being romanized without the hyphen[16], romanized by her agency without the hyphen[17] etc), combined with the wide variety of English-language reliable sources that romanize it without the hyphen (WP:COMMONNAME), this should be reflected in this article. RachelTensions (talk) 03:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Dargwa language → Literary Dargwa language – The article talks about the literary variety of Dargin, which is a language family, not a standalone language. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 23:54, 22 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:19, 30 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 03:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Michael Hardy (attorney) → Michael Hardy – Although the singer's full name is Michael Hardy, there doesn't seem to be widespread use of that name in reference to him, as he's usually credited as just Hardy. Therefore, this can be presumed to be the primary topic for "Michael Hardy" Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 01:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 03:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Kim Chae-won → Kim Chaewon – Similarly to Huh Yunjin, proposing removing hyphen from name as it seems: * the subject seemingly has a preference that her name not be romanized with the hyphen (Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean)) * the subject's name is romanized with no hyphen in all official releases, and by the subject's agency * the name is romanized without the hyphen in a large number of English-language reliable sources (WP:COMMONNAME) Examples: Teen Vogue, People Magazine, NME, Star News Korea, Yonhap News Agency, The Korea Times, Republic, Hypebeast, The Korea Herald, Korea JoongAng Daily, Rappler, Voice of Indonesia, Maeil Business Newspaper, Korean Broadcasting System, The Donga Ilbo, The Hankook Ilbo, Of course, you'll also find some sources that romanize it with the hyphen. But I'd argue that the subject's assumed preference that her name be romanized without the hyphen (WP:NCKO) (per her social media romanizing without the hyphen, credited in solo releases without the hyphen[18], romanized by her agency without the hyphen[19] etc), combined with the wide variety of English-language reliable sources that romanize it without the hyphen (WP:COMMONNAME), this should be reflected in this article. RachelTensions (talk) 03:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Republic of China (1912–1949) → Republican China – Primarily per the naturalness and concision WP:CRITERIA. The use of "Republican China" as a term referring to this periodization and its associated state is simply ubiquitous in English-language sources, such as The Cambridge History of China. By contrast, merely "Republic of China" is not used as a term referring specifically to the pre-1949 period, so a parenthetical disambiguator is arguably inappropriate. On that note, this change would also more elegantly distinguish the scope of this article from that of Taiwan. This specific move was previously suggested in 2018: suffice it to say, I did not find the opposing arguments convincing. Heading a few potential objections off at the pass: firstly, historiographical labels function perfectly well as article titles in situations like these, cf. July Monarchy, Revolutionary Catalonia, Nazi Germany. Secondly, several editors argued the terms are not synonymous, or that "Republican China" refers only to the mainland during this period; these seem clearly dubious to me, and no further explanation or evidence for such distinctions was provided in the previous discussion. One final note: I was motivated to pose this RM as the result an offsite discussion with Generalissima, who was asking about the current naming situation and pondering about starting an RM herself; I then offered to do it instead.

References

Remsense ‥ 论 00:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 16:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 03:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• • Republican China → Republican China (disambiguation) over redirect without leaving a redirect (implied), then WP:G14 delete if unnecessary

• (Discuss) – Ronnie Bell → Ronnie Bell (chemist) – not WP:PRIMARYTOPIC Joeykai (talk) 00:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 03:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Humber Armoured Car → Humber armoured car – Typically lowercase in sources (with the exception of 2021, when a couple of books on the Bolt Action game contributed a whole bunch of capitalized instances). Dicklyon (talk) 03:17, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Davis Allen → Davis Allen (designer) – not WP:PRIMARYTOPIC Joeykai (talk) 00:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 03:15, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Dorian Williams → Dorian Williams (equestrian) – not WP:PRIMARYTOPIC Joeykai (talk) 00:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 03:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Sakura Miyawaki → Sakura (singer) – Was previously known by her full name in Iz*One and AKB48 but these days it seems pretty well established per English-language reliable sources that her WP:COMMONNAME is just mononymously "Sakura": Korea JoongAng Daily, NME, Republic, The Korea Times, Wired, Dazed, Billboard, USA Today, The Chosun Ilbo, The Independent (Singapore), L'Officiel, Maeil Business Newspaper, The Korea Herald, Yonhap News Agency, The Hankook Ilbo RachelTensions (talk) 02:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Hawk Tuah → Hawk tuah – Unnecessary capitalization. Article is no longer about the "Hawk Tuah Girl" (where title case would be necessary). The RM above was closed without really addressing the captalization. C F A 💬 21:49, 28 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. estar8806 (talk) ★ 02:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Benjamin Harrison (Niehaus) → Statue of Benjamin Harrison – Per WP:VAMOS, which says: "For portrait sculptures of individuals in public places the forms "Statue of Fred Foo", "Equestrian statue of Fred Foo" or "Bust of Fred Foo" are recommended, unless a form such as "Fred Foo Memorial" or "Monument to Fred Foo" is the WP:COMMONNAME. If further disambiguation is needed, because there is more than one sculpture of the same person with an article, then disambiguation by location rather than the sculptor is usually better. This may be done as either "Statue of Fred Foo (Chicago)" (typically preferred for North America) or "Statue of Fred Foo, Glasgow" (typically preferred elsewhere)." --Another Believer _(Talk) 01:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

October 7, 2024

• (Discuss) – Obrimus → Obrimus (disambiguation) – * * Obrimus is currently a disambiguation page, listing Bromius (son of Aegyptus) and Mage: The Awakening as two other targets. However, neither actually mentions an "Obrimus". Hippothoe and Actaeon both link to Bromius with the (piped) link text "Obrimus", so a hatnote could possibly be justified, but the phasmid definitely seems like the primary topic here. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bobby Cohn (talk) 20:33, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Obrimus (phasmid) → Obrimus

• (Discuss) – John Reilly (actor, born 1934) → John Reilly (soap opera actor) – Year of birth is not preferable to this more natural modifier. According to WP:NCPDAB, failing a practical single qualifier, the disambiguator can be expanded with a second qualifier ... Years of birth and death are not normally used as disambiguators, as readers are more likely to be seeking this information than to already know it. Most of his obituaries introduce him as something like "veteran soap opera actor" or "longtime soap star". (I would alternatively support moving back to John Reilly (actor); the page was boldly moved to the current title in 2021, ostensibly to disambiguate from John C. Reilly, who is always credited with a middle initial.) Hameltion (talk | contribs) 20:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Datu Patinggi Abang Haji Abdillah College → Kolej DPAH Abdillah – Kolej DPAH Abdillah is the common name of the subject and should be used per WP:COMMONNAME, plus, the current title is too precise per WP:PRECISION 2001:448A:5063:3D40:6453:22C9:E842:2FFD (talk) 03:43, 5 October 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). --Ahecht (TALKreply]
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• (Discuss) – Recognition of same-sex unions in Thailand → Same-sex marriage in Thailand – Consistency with other same-sex marriage articles. Panda2024 (talk) 20:01, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Invasion of Gotland → Invasion of Gotland (1676) – There are many other "Invasions of Gotland", and this one does not seem to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC over the others. Invasion of Gotland should redirect to the dab page War on Gotland. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 19:44, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – New York City Police Department → New York Police Department – While both names are commonly used, I believe the official name is the better use case. Interstellarity (talk) 18:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – 2024 CFL draft → 2024 CFL national draft – Now that CFL draft is ambiguous with CFL global draft, would it be better to have less ambiguous titles for the national drafts? Dicklyon (talk) 17:44, 29 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 16:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
  • 2023 CFL draft → 2023 CFL national draft
  • 2022 CFL draft → 2022 CFL national draft
  • 2021 CFL draft → 2021 CFL national draft
  • 2025 CFL draft → 2025 CFL national draft

• (Discuss) – European Canadians → White Canadians – Nowhere does Statistics Canada conflate the racial term "white" with the geographic origin term "European". Source 1 - Source 2 -Source 3 - Source 4Moxy🍁 14:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Cremastra (talk) 16:23, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Piccolino no Bōken → Pinocchio (1976 TV series) – Official English name, per Studio 100 International's site. VenezuelanSpongeBobFan2004 (talk) 20:30, 28 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:34, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – 2024 The Republicans alliance crisis → 2024 The Republicans (France) crisis – As it was already argued above, the article is and should be focused on the internal crisis within The Republicans (France) party. Its alignment in the 2024 French legislative election was only the final issue of several debates that have divided the party over the years. I agree with User:Paul Vaurie's initial proposal, while I am less convinced by the outcome of the previous discussion, the current name that was proposed by User:Couruu. Surely, "2024 The Republicans (France) crisis" would also be consistent with 2016 The Republicans (France) presidential primary, 2017 The Republicans (France) leadership election, 2019 The Republicans (France) leadership election and 2022 The Republicans (France) leadership election (2021 The Republicans congress should be moved), as well as several other articles including 2024 Liberal Democratic Party (Japan) presidential election. -- Checco (talk) 13:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Madrid runway disaster → 1983 Madrid Airport runway collision – The current title is not a common name in reliable sources and WP:DISASTER generally recommends that the titling of an article should not include "disaster". The only reliable source that I found using "Madrid runway disaster" was from here. WP:NCE#Aviation recommends that if two or more aircrafts are involved, a where and what should generally be followed, which in this case is Madrid(-Barajas) Airport and runway collision. And as for consistency, most articles on events where two or more aircraft collided generally use a <year> <location/airport> <(runway) collision> format, which overall, would make the title more descriptive whilst staying concise and precise. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 13:19, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – London International Airport → London International Airport (Ontario) – The primary topic of London International Airport is Airports of London. London International Airport should be redirected there. John Smith Ri (talk) 10:33, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Doyoung (singer) → Doyoung – Proposing moving the page for the following reasons: *The page Doyoung currently redirects to Do-yeong. There are no other people with a Wikipedia article who spell their name as "Doyoung". Doyoung (singer) is the only person with a Wikipedia article who uses the name "Doyoung". *The redirect currently at Doyoung didn't even exist until it was created for an article on Doyoung (singer). At the time, the singer did not meet WP:N so the page was deleted and redirected to Do-yeong. *The redirect currently at Doyoung receives an average of 2 daily pageviews, versus 260 for the singer., 130x more views. The singer is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and the few who search for "Doyoung" looking for the name could easily be directed to Do-yeong via a hatnote. RachelTensions (talk) 10:00, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Thae Yong-ho → Tae Yong-ho – The article prose seems to flipflop back and forth between romanizing the subject's family name as "Tae" or "Thae". The article name is romanized as "Thae", but the lead paragraph and infobox romanizes it as "Tae", then "Thae" is reintroduced in the "career" paragraph, then it flips back to "Tae" in the "Personal life" section. English language reliable sources have widely settled on "Tae": BBC, Associated Press, The Diplomat, The Korea Times, Taipei Times, Korea JoongAng Daily, Deutsche Welle, The Korea Herald, Newsweek, Washington Post, The Chosun Ilbo RachelTensions (talk) 09:13, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Keerikkadan Jose → Mohan Raj – It is his official stage name. Keerikkadan Jose is a character name in a Malayalam film, popular among Malayali audience. However, in other languages such as Telugu, Tamil, and Hindi, it is unknown and is only Mohan Raj. Even in Malayalam, though he was initially credited as Keerikkadan Jose, later films followed Mohan Raj. So, widely recognized common name is Mohan Raj. When he died, the media mostly used this name. Sources: [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25]. 2409:4073:48C:F6EC:78D3:EFED:B9BD:802D (talk) 07:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Anna Hall (athlete) → Anna Hall (heptathlete) – (alternatively Anna Hall (track and field)) Given Anna Hall (volleyball), per Wikipedia:NCSP § Athletics (track and field): To avoid the conflict between general sportspeople and the sport of athletics (track and field), it's best to disambiguate by event category rather than use a generic "(athlete)" suffix. It may also be worth considering moving to Anna Hall as the primary topic; the question is whether to count Anna Hall Roosevelt in the pageviews but I don't think the Roosevelt is notable under that name. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 18:55, 29 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:55, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Nana (entertainer) → Nana (entertainer, born 1991) – Ambiguous with Nana (entertainer, born 2001) and Nana (rapper). Hameltion (talk | contribs) 19:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Amran District → 'Amran District – I assume that this should follow 'Amran Governorate and 'Amran. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:45, 21 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 07:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Armenian resistance during the Armenian genocide → Armenian rebellions – The article talks about not only the Armenian resistance during the genocide, but also before it, and suprisingly it doesn't mention the Muslims killed by Armenians during that era unlike the Turkish WP article. Also, this is a shorter name and more practical since there isn't any other "Armenian resistance". "Armenian rebellions" would also work (and is probably better in my opinion but others would disagree). Youprayteas ^{talk/contribs} 05:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Save the Last Dance for Me → Save the Last Dance for Me (Drifters song) – I just went through and fixed links to the over-capped redirect Save The Last Dance For Me, and got the impression that more than a few of them may have been intended for some other target. It took me a while to realize there were lots of other items with the same name. It seems to me that the primarytopic status here is causing a lot of trouble, and that disambiguation (no primarytopioc) would be better. Of course, someone knowledgable about these topics should sort out the links whether we do this move or not. Dicklyon (talk) 02:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Save the Last Dance for Me (disambiguation) → Save the Last Dance for Me

• (Discuss) – LGBT history in Georgia → LGBT in Georgia –
  Moved from Talk:LGBT rights in Georgia § Proposed merge of LGBT history in Georgia into LGBT rights in Georgia
  Following the suggestion by Bungle, and basing what I did in LGBT in Korea, merge both and rename to LGBT in Georgia (or LGBTQ in Georgia, per WP:CONSUB of LGBTQ). --MikutoH ^talk! 01:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Henri d'Orléans, Duke of Aumale → Prince Henri, Duke of Aumale – Consistent with the articles on his siblings. Векочел (talk) 01:30, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Vancouver station (Washington) → Vancouver station – Unambiguous. The intercity rail stations in Vancouver, British Columbia (Pacific Central Station and Waterfront station (Vancouver)) are not known as "Vancouver station", and never have been. The current disambiguation page is unnecessary and should be deleted. 162 etc. (talk) 01:13, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Vancouver station → Vancouver station (disambiguation) over redirect without leaving a redirect (implied), then WP:G14 delete if unnecessary

• (Discuss) – The Swiss Family Robinson: Flone of the Mysterious Island → The Swiss Family Robinson (1981 TV series) – Official English title... VenezuelanSpongeBobFan2004 (talk) 00:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

October 6, 2024

• (Discuss) – França → França (footballer, born 1976) – There are two footballers monomously known as França. Special:PrefixIndex/França shows França (footballer, born 1991) and França (footballer, born 1995). There's also França (surname) and França (Bragança). França Júnior and França Borges may apply. So does França (disambiguation) deserve a page? --MikutoH ^talk! 23:17, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Eurasian Plate → Eurasian plate – Sources usually use lowercase plate for these (I have checked many, including all the major plates, e.g. using books n-grams, but not yet all 74). I think the minor and micro plates should just follow for consistency, unless someone finds one or more that are consistently capped in sources. Dicklyon (talk) 22:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
  • North American Plate → North American plate
  • Juan de Fuca Plate → Juan de Fuca plate
  • Farallon Plate → Farallon plate
  • South American Plate → South American plate
  • Gorda Plate → Gorda plate
  • Nazca Plate → Nazca plate
  • Antarctic Plate → Antarctic plate
  • Pacific Plate → Pacific plate
  • Cocos Plate → Cocos plate
  • Philippine Sea Plate → Philippine Sea plate
  • African Plate → African plate
  • Arabian Plate → Arabian plate
  • Indo-Australian Plate → Indo-Australian plate
  • Explorer Plate → Explorer plate
  • Anatolian Sub-Plate → Anatolian sub-plate
  • Australian Plate → Australian plate
  • Burma Plate → Burma plate
  • Indian Plate → Indian plate
  • Scotia Plate → Scotia plate
  • Caribbean Plate → Caribbean plate
  • Somali Plate → Somali plate
  • Kula Plate → Kula plate
  • Sunda Plate → Sunda plate
  • Tonga Plate → Tonga plate
  • Adriatic Plate → Adriatic plate
  • Izanagi Plate → Izanagi plate
  • Phoenix Plate → Phoenix plate
  • Intermontane Plate → Intermontane plate
  • Bellingshausen Plate → Bellingshausen plate
  • Insular Plate → Insular plate
  • Baltic Plate → Baltic plate
  • Charcot Plate → Charcot plate
  • Rivera Plate → Rivera plate
  • South Sandwich Plate → South Sandwich plate
  • Solomon Sea Plate → Solomon Sea plate
  • New Hebrides Plate → New Hebrides plate
  • Banda Sea Plate → Banda Sea plate
  • Timor Plate → Timor plate
  • Aegean Sea Plate → Aegean Sea plate
  • Balmoral Reef Plate → Balmoral Reef plate
  • Caroline Plate → Caroline plate
  • Conway Reef Plate → Conway Reef plate
  • Futuna Plate → Futuna plate
  • Juan Fernández Plate → Juan Fernández plate
  • Kermadec Plate → Kermadec plate
  • Manus Plate → Manus plate
  • Maoke Plate → Maoke plate
  • Mariana Plate → Mariana plate
  • Molucca Sea Plate → Molucca Sea plate
  • Niuafo'ou Plate → Niuafo'ou plate
  • North Andes Plate → North Andes plate
  • North Bismarck Plate → North Bismarck plate
  • Okinawa Plate → Okinawa plate
  • Panama Plate → Panama plate
  • Shetland Plate → Shetland plate
  • South Bismarck Plate → South Bismarck plate
  • Halmahera Plate → Halmahera plate
  • Woodlark Plate → Woodlark plate
  • Yangtze Plate → Yangtze plate
  • Madagascar Plate → Madagascar plate
  • Greenland Plate → Greenland plate
  • Moa Plate → Moa plate
  • Pelso Plate → Pelso plate
  • Tisza Plate → Tisza plate
  • Sangihe Plate → Sangihe plate
  • Lwandle Plate → Lwandle plate
  • Capricorn Plate → Capricorn plate
  • Rovuma Plate → Rovuma plate
  • Malpelo Plate → Malpelo plate
  • Coiba Plate → Coiba plate
  • Moesian Plate → Moesian plate
  • Trobriand Plate → Trobriand plate
  • Kshiroda Plate → Kshiroda plate

• (Discuss) – Expectation → Expectation (disambiguation) – According to Cambridge Dictionary, the primary meaning of "expectation" refers to the psychological concept of anticipating something to happen. The other entries listed on the disambiguation page have a more specific names like expectation–maximization algorithm. Therefore, it seems logical to move the psychological concept to the more concise title, which would also resolve another issue: the parenthetical addition. Typically, we use a noun as a disambiguator (e.g., anticipation (genetics), stress (mechanics)) rather than adjectives. Additionally, it’s challenging to attribute this concept to a single scientific field—whether psychology, philosophy, or epistemology—so how should we specify it? For all other meanings, we can simply just add a disambiguation hatnote to the lead of the current expectation (epistemic) page. –Tobias (talk) 20:19, 28 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 21:55, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Expectation (epistemic) → Expectation

• (Discuss) – Anatolian Plateau → Anatolian plateau – More often lowercase in sources, so per MOS:CAPS and WP:NCCAPS we should use lowercase. Dicklyon (talk) 21:00, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Clone Wars → Clone Wars (disambiguation) – Last discussed in 2015, with no consensus. Appears to be a case of WP:DABCONCEPT, with all other topics relating back to this plot point. 162 etc. (talk) 20:52, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Clone Wars (Star Wars) → Clone Wars

• (Discuss) – Union for Democracy and Social Progress (Democratic Republic of the Congo) → Union for Democracy and Social Progress – There are four political parties with Wikipedia articles that use the name "Union for Democracy and Social Progress". The three other parties are all inactive at present, had very minor electoral success (managing a few or no seats), and were founded after the one in the DRC. In web searches, the DRC political party is comfortably and dominantly the subject of nearly all the results. The DRC party is evidently the primary topic, so a move should be done to reflect this reality. Yue🌙 20:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Union for Democracy and Social Progress → Union for Democracy and Social Progress (disambiguation) over redirect without leaving a redirect (implied), then WP:G14 delete if unnecessary

• (Discuss) – Star Wars: Clone Wars (2003 TV series) → Star Wars: Clone Wars (TV series) – Already redirects here. I believe having "the" in the title is enough to disambiguate from Star Wars: The Clone Wars (2008 TV series). For example, a simple comma being added seems to disambiguate Fear, and Loathing in Las Vegas from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, so I think the year in the title counts as unnecessary disambiguation, all things considered. GilaMonster536 (talk) 19:08, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Spīn Ghar → Safed Koh – Restore the article to its previously discussed name. The article was moved to a local name [26], but per the discussion on the talk page, it was restored[27] to its original stable WP:COMMONNAME. Ainty Painty (talk) 04:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). – robertsky (talk) 07:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 15:00, 28 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 13:50, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Motocross des Nations → Motocross of Nations – Seems to be the most used name for the event (WP:COMMONNAME), including FIM, the governing body. Also WP:ENGLISHTITLE. Pelmeen10 (talk) 19:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 13:49, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Capotain → ? – "Capotain(e)" appears to be a ghost word created by Walter Scott. The closest thing that can be found in early modern sources is "copataine", which occurs once in Shakespeare. The more usual terms for this kind of headwear were "copintank" and "sugarloaf hat". I suggest using one or the other as the title of the article. Zacwill (talk) 03:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 07:56, 29 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 13:35, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Fiat New 500 → Fiat 500 (2020) – Fiat 500 is more common name for this vehicle, didn't even see New 500 name in official website. John123521 _{(Talk-Contib.)} 03:16, 22 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 07:59, 29 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 13:35, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Statutory rules of Northern Ireland → Statutory rule of Northern Ireland – Statutory instrument (UK), Scottish statutory instrument, Welsh statutory instrument, are all named in the singular. the gazette refers to it in singular DotCoder (talk) 09:38, 29 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:19, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Motukorea → Browns Island (New Zealand) – Motukorea is an obscure name people are not familiar with. Article titles should be recognisable to the average person. The names have roughly equal usage in sources with many different forms provided but Browns Island is far more recognisable to Aucklanders. Browns Island (Motukorea) is the legally recorded name of the island although such a title might suggest it is the Browns Island of Motukorea. See link below for data on search Traumnovelle (talk) 09:51, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Stonewall riots → Stonewall uprising – The Stonewall uprising was a civil rights movement, a rebellion, and an uprising. It was never about "riots" and was never meant to be so in the first place. Quoting Stormé DeLarverie: Stormé on Stonewall "It was a rebellion, it was an uprising, it was a civil rights disobedience -- it wasn't no damn riot", declared Stormé at a public and videographed SVA-sponsored "Stonewall Symposium", referring to the historic 1969 Stonewall Rebellion. Stormé was a part of the uprising on the very first night, Friday, June 27th 1969. "The cops were parading patrons out of the front door of The Stonewall at about two o' clock in the morning. I saw this one boy being taken out by three cops, only one in uniform. Three to one! I told my pals, 'I know him! That's Willson, my friend Sonia Jane's friend.' Willson briefly broke loose but they grabbed the back of his jacket and pulled him right down on the cement street. One of them did a drop kick on him. Another cop senselessly hit him from the back. Right after that, a cop said to me: 'Move faggot', thinking that I was a Gay guy. I said, 'I will not! And, don't you dare touch me.' With that, the cop shoved me and I instinctively punched him right in his face. He bled! He was then dropping to the ground -- not me!" — CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ] [ CONT ]} 09:36, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – CBS Weekend → CBS WKND – This is the official branding for the block, this shouldn't violate any Wikipedia guidelines to use it on the title, using "CBS Weekend" for the title is disruptive to me in my opinion, and could cause confusion for other articles with similar titles in it, including CBS Weekend News, although some users in the previous move discussion said that "CBS Weekend" reads better to them, it's an unofficial branding and is disruptive to me to use it instead of "CBS WKND." 2603:6081:893D:13AC:7100:943E:5C15:68C0 (talk) 03:40, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – England in the Late Middle Ages → ? – * As noted below, titles of works use title case. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:29, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Wales in the Late Middle Ages → Wales in the late Middle Ages
  • Scotland in the Late Middle Ages → Scotland in the late Middle Ages
  • Wales in the Early Middle Ages → Wales in the early Middle Ages
  • Scotland in the Early Middle Ages → Scotland in the early Middle Ages
  • Poland in the Early Middle Ages → Poland in the early Middle Ages
  • Netherlands in the Early Middle Ages → Netherlands in the early Middle Ages
  • Framing the Early Middle Ages → Framing the early Middle Ages
  • Romania in the Early Middle Ages → Romania in the early Middle Ages
  • Spanish illumination of the Early Middle Ages → Spanish illumination of the early Middle Ages

• (Discuss) – Gowtam Naidu Tinnanuri → Gowtam Tinnanuri – Popular and credited name. [28] vs [29]. DareshMohan (talk) 01:10, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Neopanax colensoi → Pseudopanax colensoi – WP:COMMONNAME and WP:FLORA - overwhelming usage within recent scientific papers, despite mixed use in taxonomic databases. Without a clear scientific basis for a preference of one name over the other, MOS:ENGVAR/MOS:TIES: that there is a clear consensus among New Zealand scientific sources for a clade of plants endemic to New Zealand. *Neopanax and Pseudopanax together form a clade. Currently there are three morphological forms of the species within this clade - two are always described as Pseudopanax, while one (the more basal form) is sometimes described as Neopanax and sometimes Pseudopanax. page 52 of this thesis has a useful graph showing phylogenetic relationships within the group. Neopanax was synonymised with Pseudopanax in the 20th century, re-established as a genus in 2004, but the justification of this was disputed in 2009. The distinction appears to be one based on conventions rather than a clear scientific justification (i.e. less based on whether or not Neopanax is a distinct clade within Pseudopanax, and more based on whether it's justified to use a different name for this clade, or to continue to use the pre-2004 convention). This issue was previously discussed at WikiProject Plants. *Different taxonomical databases use different preferred names. Pseudopanax is overwhelmingly used by New Zealand databases. **Pseudopanax preferred: NZ Flora, Biota of New Zealand, IUCN, iNaturalist, NZOR and NZTCS **Neopanax preferred: CoL, EoL, GBIF, IRMNG, NCBI, OTOL, POWO *Recent scientific sources outside of taxonomic databases overwhelmingly prefer Pseudopanax. Looking at Post-2020 Google Scholar results for species within the Neopanax clade:

*Neopanax arboreus 6 *Neopanax colensoi 3 *Neopanax kermadecensis 0 *Neopanax laetus 0 *Neopanax macintyrei 1 *Pseudopanax arboreus 150 *Pseudopanax colensoi 29 *Pseudopanax kermadecensis 3 *Pseudopanax laetus 4 *Pseudopanax macintyrei 2

Prosperosity (talk) 00:57, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• • Neopanax laetus → Pseudopanax laetus

• (Discuss) – DC Studios → DC Films – We should revert this page back to DC Films. *Why move?: The three 2024 projects, such as Super/Man, The Penguin, and Creature Commandos (along with any 2025 projects movie forwards), will leave this article. As confirmed by CEO James Gunn, in this post on Threads, DC Studios is its OWN entity separate from DC Films. The Super/Man documentary was the first movie to be released by the studio, and The Penguin was the first show released by the studio. As he confirmed on this post here, the Joker sequel is NOT a DC Studios film, though some of 2024 projects mentioned earlier are are, as he explained in this post. Given this information, directly from the source, I think this move is in the best interest to make things clear. Even if you disagree with this move propsal, please state if you agree/disagree that the movies Shazam! 2 to Joker 2 should fall under DC Films, as confirmed by the CEO of the company. Note ... Keep in mind... James Gunn (first party) spelled it out for us. It's its OWN entity. And The Variety (third party) article that mentions DC Studios was a NEWLY CREATED ENTITY. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 00:08, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

October 5, 2024

• (Discuss) – Macedonian denar → Denar of North Macedonia – The official name for the currency is "denar" and a quick google search confirms that the common name is North Macedonian denar. I have noticed that other wiki pages about North Macedonia avoid adjectives and prefer the form "... of North Macedonia" in titles and my proposal is to move this page to "Denar of North Macedonia". Open Free Eye (talk) 21:59, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Henry X, Duke of Bavaria → Henry the Proud – Just like his son, Henry the Lion, this duke has a well-established cognomen, by which he is far better known. The ordinal X is, in fact, relatively obscure. Surtsicna (talk) 20:28, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Pokrovsk → Pokrovsk (disambiguation) – The city in Ukraine is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. With the recent uptick in page views here from the effort to capture the city, the only other settlement listed at Pokrovsk (with an article) which currently bears the name (Pokrovsk, Sakha Republic) has received roughly 80 times less page views ([30], [31]), while prior to July 2024 and after the start of the 2022 invasion that number remained at roughly 15. Other uses of Pokrovsk either do not have en~wiki articles or are no longer relevant (i.e. not used after 1931). WikiNav graph shows only significant outgoing traffic for the Ukrainian city. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 19:19, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Pokrovsk, Ukraine → Pokrovsk

• (Discuss) – Danni Wyatt → Danni Wyatt-Hodge – Danni Wyatt was confimed that she will using her married double-barrelled surname from 2024 ICC Women's T20 World Cup [32] [33]. Most of coverage used the new name of this English batter e.g. BBC Sport, ESPNcricinfo, ICC, India Today, [34], Cricbuzz CricketArchive. Eventually ECB posted the new name on their social media. When ECB announced the women’s T20 World Cup squad, they used new surname "Danni Wyatt-Hodge" ECB. As such, this is now their WP:COMMONNAME, and so moving these article seems sensible, but it seems like correct thing to do. Goodknowme (talk) 19:06, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Fukuoka Broadcasting Corporation → Fukuoka Broadcasting System – The name of the station is Fukuoka Broadcasting System, or FBS, not FBC. VenezuelanSpongeBobFan2004 (talk) 18:17, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Antun Herceg → Anton Herceg – His actual name is Anton (Антон).[35][36][37]. 47.201.233.193 (talk) 17:59, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Matlock (TV series) → Matlock (1986 TV series) – Matlock (2024 TV series) has been moved from the draftspace to the mainspace. The Media Expert (talk) 17:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Orphan-Maker → Nanny and Orphan-Maker – The characters of Nanny and Orphan-Maker are systematically paired in their appearances in Marvel comics, pretty much like Tweedledum and Tweedledee (comics) or Fenris (comics). It would make more sense to rename the page, rewrite the text slightly to include Nanny's origin and add a different image that would include both characters. Psychloppos (talk) 17:35, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – October 2024 Dahieh airstrike → Assassination of Hashem Safieddine – The current title is empty of meaning. We don't call the assassination of JFK the "November 1963 Dallas Shooting" because that would be incredibly stupid, and no one would know what the page is talking about. Likewise, the majority of the people reading this page will likely have no idea what/where Dahieh is. The singular purpose of this strike was to kill Safieddine just like the assassination of JFK had one intention. The title should be named accordingly. Afdshah (talk) 17:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Television Oita → Television Oita System – English name, matches with its short abbreviation TOS VenezuelanSpongeBobFan2004 (talk) 17:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Gupta Empire → Gupta empire – Historically usually lowercase empire here; recent uptick in capitalization brings it nowhere close to the "consistently capitalized" threshold of MOS:CAPS. Dicklyon (talk) 16:44, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – ICC Women's T20 World Cup → Women's T20 World Cup – Removal of ICC as per WP:COMMONNAME and this RM discussion as well. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:30, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
  • 2009 ICC Women's World Twenty20 → 2009 Women's World Twenty20
  • 2010 ICC Women's World Twenty20 → 2010 Women's World Twenty20
  • 2012 ICC Women's World Twenty20 → 2012 Women's World Twenty20
  • 2014 ICC Women's World Twenty20 → 2014 Women's World Twenty20
  • 2016 ICC Women's World Twenty20 → 2016 Women's World Twenty20
  • 2018 ICC Women's World Twenty20 → 2018 Women's World Twenty20
  • 2020 ICC Women's T20 World Cup → 2020 Women's T20 World Cup
  • 2023 ICC Women's T20 World Cup → 2023 Women's T20 World Cup
  • 2024 ICC Women's T20 World Cup → 2024 Women's T20 World Cup
  • 2026 ICC Women's T20 World Cup → 2026 Women's T20 World Cup
  • ICC Women's T20 World Cup Qualifier → Women's T20 World Cup Qualifier

• (Discuss) – ICC Men's T20 World Cup → Men's T20 World Cup – per WP:COMMONNAME and per the above RM discussion as well. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:35, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
  • 2007 ICC World Twenty20 → 2007 World Twenty20
  • 2009 ICC World Twenty20 → 2009 World Twenty20
  • 2010 ICC World Twenty20 → 2010 World Twenty20
  • 2012 ICC World Twenty20 → 2012 World Twenty20
  • 2014 ICC World Twenty20 → 2014 World Twenty20
  • 2016 ICC World Twenty20 → 2016 World Twenty20
  • 2021 ICC Men's T20 World Cup → 2021 Men's T20 World Cup
  • 2022 ICC Men's T20 World Cup → 2022 Men's T20 World Cup
  • 2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup → 2024 Men's T20 World Cup
  • 2026 ICC Men's T20 World Cup → 2026 Men's T20 World Cup
  • 2028 ICC Men's T20 World Cup → 2028 Men's T20 World Cup
  • ICC Men's T20 World Cup Qualifier → Men's T20 World Cup Qualifier

• (Discuss) – Quaker State 400 (Atlanta) → Quaker State 400 – I feel like now that this race has had this name for almost half a decade now, I feel like the typical fan would want to research this one instead of it's Kentucky counterpart, therefore I am requesting we remove the Atlanta part from the article name and just make it "Quaker State 400" 45BearsFan (talk) 14:38, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Juan Fageda → Joan Fageda – His birth certificate may well say the Castilian name Juan and he would have been forced into that name for the first 40 years of his life, but personal preferences and modern sources strongly prefer the Catalan name Joan. Going by WP:OFFICIALNAME we would have William Clinton and Anthony Blair. Fageda's website is joanfageda.com and this letter on it is signed as Joan [38]. Third-party sources in Castilian are using Joan [39] even the conservative El Mundo [40] and the nationalist OKDiario [41] so this is not editorial Catalanism, something that the subject as a People's Party politician is exceedingly unlikely to support Unknown Temptation (talk) 14:16, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Copenhagen criteria → European Union membership criteria – This article includes both the Copenhagen criteria and geographic criteria; according to comments on the talk page these are separate. Readers interested in one topic are probably interested in the other, so having them both in a single article makes sense, and it's been that way for a while. This proposal is to change the title to match the contents of the article, to resolve the repeated complaints on the talk page that the geographic criteria are off-topic. -- Beland (talk) 19:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Dalecarlian horse → Dala horse – Per WP:COMMONNAME. According to an Ngram search, Dala horse is more common by a wide margin (6-10 times more common). Also, the article for the landskap is named Dalarna, not Dalecarlia, and the proposed title would be consistent with that. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 11:28, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Muirs Highway → Muir Highway – All current sources I was able to view stated Muir Highway as its current name. Examples are Main Roads Western Australia, Road Information Mapping System, the HEMA WA Road & 4WD Track Atlas, Google maps and OpenStreet maps. I have however also found one picture of a road sign, see here, that states Muirs Highway. I think, a consensus decision is required as to what the official name is. Calistemon (talk) 09:36, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Tichitt culture → Tichitt Tradition – Ngrams suggests that Tichitt Tradition is the WP:Common name. Would check hits on Google Scholar but on mobile. Kowal2701 (talk) 08:22, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Kuninda Kingdom → Kuninda kingdom – Not a proper name. Not so often capitalized in books, so per WP:NCCAPS and MOS:CAPS, we use lowercase. Dicklyon (talk) 06:20, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Joseon → Chosŏn – I'm proposing this mainly to poll opinions in the manner of an WP:RFC, as well as to try and illustrate how our new MOS works. If you're a regular on any Korea topics, I encourage you to think about what I'm discussing here because similar principles will apply to many other moves that may happen in the near future. Context: # "Chosŏn" is the McCune–Reischauer ("MR") romanization of 조선. "Joseon" is using Revised Romanization ("RR"). # We recently rewrote MOS:KO and WP:NCKO. As part of this, MR is now recommended for all pre-1945 topics. Before the rewrite, RR was recommended for pre-1945 topics (except, confusingly, for people names lol...). Thoughts: # Relevant policies: WP:COMMONNAME, WP:DIVIDEDUSE, and WP:CRYSTALBALL. These policies are also the foundation for MOS:KO and WP:NCKO. # Coverage in RS: #* MR and "Chosŏn" are used by almost all Korean history academic journals ([42][43]). #* In my experience, practice in books is more divided. Well-respected and widely used history books almost universally use MR and "Chosŏn". All other books (including less reliable pop culture books about Korea) seem to use RR and "Joseon". This divided use can be somewhat seen in the close race on Ngrams, which measures mentions in books. However, if we prioritize the most reliable sources, this still leans towards MR. #* News and pop culture tend to use "Joseon", like Poong, the Joseon Psychiatrist. #* Together, this suggests that academia uses "Chosŏn", but average people may use "Joseon". # Since this article was created 21 years ago in 2003, it has never gone by "Chosŏn". Moving it to that has seemingly never even been requested. I think this clearly suggests that Wikipedia editors have a preference for this spelling. #* Wikipedia's use of the spelling also possibly influenced global use of the spelling as well. #* Oh, and it's also annoying to type the diacritic letter (ŏ); it's frustratingly not easily available on Mac, PC, or iPhones. In short, there's basically three relevant groups here: academic historians (prefer MR), average people around the world (RR), and Wikipedia editors (RR). I think this move should be decided by how much you want to cater towards each of these groups. I want to hear other arguments or want others to weigh in. I'm actually leaning towards "Joseon" being more appropriate. I think Wikipedia is meant to be used by the average person, and clearly both average people and Wikipedia editors prefer that spelling. But I'm leaving open the possibility for "Chosŏn" to happen. seefooddiet (talk) 05:58, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – September 2024 Lebanon strikes → September 2024 Lebanon airstrikes – – Per WP:PRECISION titles should unambiguously define the topical scope of the article - how can we reasonably say that "strikes is perfectly unambiguous? Are we supposed to believe that the 2023 Writers Guild of America strike was a military operation? Same for the 2022–present National Health Service strikes? "Airstrikes" is perfectly precise to accurately describe the nature of these attacks.For the first two nominations I would also support "... Israeli airstrikes on Lebanon". estar8806 (talk) ★ 19:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC) Edit: Please see the below comment by @JasonMacker: for an updated move request.--estar8806 (talk) ★ 00:42, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
  • August 2024 Israel–Lebanon strikes → August 2024 Israel–Lebanon airstrikes
  • April 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel → April 2024 Iranian airstrikes against Israel
  • October 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel → October 2024 Iranian airstrikes against Israel
  • 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel → 2024 Iranian airstrikes against Israel

October 4, 2024

• (Discuss) – Cargo 200 (code name) → Cargo 200 – it is an invalid disambig page with only two meanings --Altenmann >talk 23:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Cargo 200 → Cargo 200 (disambiguation) over redirect without leaving a redirect (implied), then WP:G14 delete if unnecessary

• (Discuss) – Lists of members of the Canadian Parliament who died in office → Lists of members of the Parliament of Canada who died in office – There are two aspects to this RM proposal. One is that I believe the proper name of the institution is "Parliament of Canada", not "Canadian Parliament". If "Canadian Parliament" is used, I think "Parliament" should be in lowercase, since "Canadian Parliament" is not the proper name of the institution. The second aspect is that MOS:TOPRESENT says the proper form of the final article's date range is to use "to present" or "–present", and says "Do not use incomplete-looking constructions such as 1982– and 1982–...  ." There's also a bit of a question in my mind about "the". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:22, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
  • List of members of the Canadian Parliament who died in office (1867–1899) → List of members of the Parliament of Canada who died in office (1867–1899)
  • List of members of the Canadian Parliament who died in office (1900–1949) → List of members of the Parliament of Canada who died in office (1900–1949)
  • List of members of the Canadian Parliament who died in office (1950–1999) → List of members of the Parliament of Canada who died in office (1950–1999)
  • List of members of the Canadian Parliament who died in office (2000–) → List of members of the Parliament of Canada who died in office (2000–present)

• (Discuss) – AIM-174B → AIM-174 – Might as well eliminitae the "B" per WP:CONCISE -- the "AIM-174B" is *technically* a specific variant of the AIM-174. Also allows for future variants (a hypothetical AIM-174C, for instance) to be added with no issue. Attempted to move myself, cannot; re-direct exists. MWFwiki (talk) 00:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 21:04, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Public Service Announcement (disambiguation) → Public Service Announcement – Per WP:DIFFCAPS and everything else (other than the common term heard on social media) is written that way in the dab page. To make it clear, the term 'public service announcement' has a primary topic but 'Public Service Announcement' doesn't. JuniperChill (talk) 11:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 18:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Al-Kabri incident → Al-Kabri massacre – RS describe this as a massacre. "Incident" is a euphemism here. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 16:35, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Wild Wing (disambiguation) → Wild Wing – No clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, per Pageviews. Paradoctor (talk) 11:52, 26 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 15:29, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – International Phonetic Alphabet chart for English dialects → English phonetics – The current title suggests the current page is an International Phonetic Alphabet chart limited to English phones, like the ones on English phonology but for many more dialects, while the page actually details the specific phonetic realizations of different English dialects. I suggest renaming it to English phonetics to contrast with English phonology, or else Phonetic realizations of English (though that title is less consise). Citation unneeded (talk) 15:24, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Los Angeles runway disaster → 1991 Los Angeles Airport runway collision – The current title is not a common name and WP:DISASTER generally recommends that the titling of an article should not include "disaster". WP:NCE#Aviation recommends that if two or more aircrafts are involved, a where and what should generally be followed, which in this case is Los Angeles (International) Airport and runway collision. And as for consistency, most articles on events where two or more aircraft collided generally use a <year> <location/airport> <(runway) collision> format. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 14:50, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Over the Hedge → Over the Hedge (comic strip) – Film is the overwhelming primary topic by pageviews. Despite coming first, fewer are aware of the comic in comparison. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Over the Hedge (film) → Over the Hedge

• (Discuss) – Uralic Phonetic Alphabet → Finno-Ugric Transcription – This is the traditional term. Salminen (2024) writes Finno-Ugric Transcription has occasionally been called the “Uralic Phonetic Alphabet”, which is a misnomer for every word in the term, as “Finno-Ugric” has been included in the name of the system from the very beginning, the system is decidedly linguistic rather than phonetic, and it by no means constitutes an alphabet. Note the use of the word "occasionally", which means we have both a reliable and recent source for the fact that "Uralic Phonetic Alphabet" is not the primary name. Stockhausenfan (talk) 12:15, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Best friends forever → Best friend – We have separate Wikipedia articles for Girlfriend and Boyfriend, also for "Significant other", and not only for Friendship but also for specific types of it (Romantic friendship, Cross-sex friendship, Friend zone). Thus I am surprised both that there is no such an article for the topic of best friends and that this sentence has an article of its own. I propose expanding the scope of this article to cover the topic of best friends in general. The sentence itself could have a section of its own if necessary. There's a bigger amount of academic research on the topic of best friends than one might initially expect [44], so there'd be stuff to write about in such an article. Most sources in this article seem to already cover the relationship in general rather than only the sentence. Even some of the text in this article itself already does this (see last paragraph at "Academic studies" section). The article needs rework anyway (some sources are informal, see OUPblog or barbaradelinsky.com; and some of the article's redaction is strange, see In 2010, the BFF concept was a part of a BFF contract "to encourage the signatories to work through their differences before splitting up."), and I think expanding its scope would be a good idea. Super Ψ Dro 12:01, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Google Cloud → Google Cloud (disambiguation) – GCP is commonly referred to as Google Cloud, this page should redirect there. PhotographyEdits (talk) 11:15, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Elapsed listings

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• (Discuss) – Mohamed Kamara → Mohamed Kamara (footballer, born 1987) – no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC per page views [45] Joeykai (talk) 00:06, 20 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:12, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Mohamed Kamara (disambiguation) → Mohamed Kamara

• (Discuss) – Lady Hyegyeong → Lady Hyegyŏng – This uses McCune–Reischauer and appears to be the WP:COMMONNAME per this ngram. Also, McCune–Reischauer abides by WP:KOREANNAME. seefooddiet (talk) 09:01, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Jungle music → Jungle (genre) – "Jungle" with no qualification is by far the primary & predominant term. "Jungle music" is not a term standard enough that entails using this WP:natural disambiguation over the standard WP:parenthetical disambiguation. "Jungle (genre)" is also much clearer, as "jungle music" could be ambiguous as referring to literal music of a jungle in the eyes of someone who has never heard of this.  Nixinova   T   C   06:55, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Turnover (employment) → Employee turnover – This would appear to be a clear WP:NATURAL situation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:05, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Russian-Livonian War (1480-1481) → Livonian–Russian war of 1480–1481 – or Livonian–Pskov Republic war. The hyphenated date range is strange, especially since Russian-Livonian War is a red link. Perhaps the Livonian War (of 1558–1583) could be described as a Russian–Livonian war. Perhaps alphabetical order is appropriate. A dash rather than a hyphen seems appropriate between the opposing parties in a war (unless a combining form is used such as Russo-Livonian war of 1480–1481). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:08, 26 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Rivergate Mall → RiverGate Mall – While both variations are used, most reliable sources (such as news articles and the mall's official website) use "RiverGate" over "Rivergate." BlueShirtz (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Mozart's name → Names of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart – Harmonization with similar articles Juwan (talk) 23:50, 26 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:50, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – MountainView Hospital, Las Vegas → MountainView Hospital – There is no other hospital called "MountainView" so the ",Las Vegas" modifier isn't needed.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 01:28, 27 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Yuta Nakamoto → Yuta – Propose moving Yuta Nakamoto to Yuta per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC Regarding WP:COMMONNAME rationale: *Article subject uses mononym professionally and almost all English-language sources refer to him as "Yuta" rather than full name. **Examples: Korea Joongang Daily, Star News Korea, Hollywood Reporter, USA Today, Nikkei, L'Officiel Singapore, NME, Vogue Singapore Cosmopolitan Regarding WP:PRIMARYTOPIC rationale: *Yuta is currently a redirect to Yūta. **Yuta average daily redirect views: 2 **Yūta average daily page views 18 **Yuta Nakamoto average daily page views 223. The few people looking for the name Yūta could easily be directed to their intended destination by a hatnote on the Yuta Nakamoto article. RachelTensions (talk) 02:32, 27 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Niigata Sogo Television → NST Niigata Sogo Television – Current corporate name as of 2019. VenezuelanSpongeBobFan2004 (talk) 03:14, 20 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 03:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 03:56, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Ojuelegba, Lagos → Ojuelegba – I'm requesting this article to be renamed because there isn't another place with the name "Ojuelegba". Ojuelegba is the primary topic and there's no need for Lagos to be included in the title.  Versace1608  ^{Wanna Talk?} 15:06, 25 September 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). 162 etc. (talk) 01:55, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Ojuelegba → Ojuelegba (disambiguation) over redirect without leaving a redirect (implied), then WP:G14 delete if unnecessary

• (Discuss) – Juan Rivera (wrongful conviction) → Wrongful conviction of Juan Rivera – Juan Rivera is a person, not a wrongful conviction. He seems notable only for being wrongfully convicted (WP:BIO1E / WP:BLP1E). There was a previous RM for this article which failed, but that was for a different suggestion. The proposed title would provide WP:NATURAL disambiguation. Similar comments apply to the other two. The lead section of the Paul Blackburn article says he was wrongfully convicted, but it seems to be a matter of a lack of sufficient (properly obtained) evidence rather than an exoneration, perhaps the more conservative "overturned" is more accurate in that instance. The Robert Jones case also appeared poised to be retried when the charges were dropped. That may be the most difficult one. There is a BBC article that points pretty firmly toward a different suspect but there was no official exoneration as far as I can tell – the prosecution just declined to retry the case after the conviction was overturned. Rivera received a substantial compensation for his wrongful conviction, but there appears to have been no official declaration that Jones and Blackburn were actually innocent (as far as I know). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Robert Jones (wrongful conviction) → Wrongful conviction of Robert Jones
  • Paul Blackburn (overturned conviction) → Overturned conviction of Paul Blackburn

• (Discuss) – Picross → Picross (video game series) – Picross is the name of the pencil-and-paper puzzle which serve as the basis for these video games, that previously was a redirect to Nonogram which is the more common name for those puzzles. In terms of this move, the pencil-and-paper topic is far more the PRIMARYTOPIC than this video game series which is based off that. Note that this would also mean a recreaction of the Picross to Nonogram redirect after this move. Masem (t) 00:18, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Albury line → Albury line (disambiguation) – The current names imply that V/Line is part of the name. V/Line is the current operator, but the natural name is simply X line (see for example [46] on the V/Line website). Except in the cases of the Gippsland and Warrnambool lines, the disambiguation pages do not disambiguate lines and services with the same name. Mackensen (talk) 22:14, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Albury V/Line rail service → Albury line
  • Ballarat V/Line rail service → Ballarat line
  • Bendigo V/Line rail service → Bendigo line
  • Bendigo line → Bendigo line (disambiguation)
  • Geelong V/Line rail service → Geelong line
  • Geelong line → Geelong line (disambiguation)
  • Gippsland V/Line rail service → Gippsland line (service)
  • Seymour V/Line rail service → Seymour line
  • Seymour line → Seymour line (disambiguation)
  • Warrnambool V/Line rail service → Warrnambool line (service)

• (Discuss) – Baby, The Stars Shine Bright → Baby, the Stars Shine Bright (apparel) – New York Times (link), The Cut (link), and The Mercury News (link) uses the lowercase "t" for "the." Victoria & Albert Museum (link) uses both capitalizations, but there seems to be more of a precedence using the lowercase version. Even the English websites use the lowercase spelling (see the NYC location and SF location). I'm also open for it to be renamed Baby, the Stars Shine Bright (clothing). lullabying (talk) 01:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 15:12, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Baby, the Stars Shine Bright → Baby, the Stars Shine Bright (album)

• (Discuss) – Lego Racers → Lego Racers (Lego theme) – Primary topic over Lego Racers. The current content of Lego Racers could be moved to Lego Racers (Lego theme), following the same naming scheme as The Lego Batman Movie (Lego theme) is to the primary The Lego Batman Movie. Sceeegt (talk) 19:31, 20 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:15, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Lego Racers (video game) → Lego Racers

• (Discuss) – ʽAsir Province → Asir – per WP:CONCISE, WP:COMMONNAME Abo Yemen✉ 14:10, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Typhoon Bebinca (2024) → Typhoon Bebinca – This storm is significantly bigger then the other storms with the same name, with none of them taking up this name. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:13, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Backlog

Elapsed listings fall into the backlog after 24 hours. Consider relisting 8-day-old discussions with minimal participation.

• (Discuss) – No 32–04 \ vd → Kremlin report "No 32–04 \ vd" – The current name is too anonymous a combination of letters and numbers to be a title people would remember. A title should give some sort of clue about the topic. The new title gives those numbers some context. Valjean (talk) (PING me) 01:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 10:34, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Philippos Alexandreia F.C. → A.E. Alexandreia F.C. – The club was dissolved in 2018 and then refounded in 2019–2020 as A.E. Alexandreia F.C. as Asd199023's edits suggest. The same user (now blocked) attempted the move as a cut-and-paste move, which has since been reverted. GTrang (talk) 14:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. SilverLocust 💬 08:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Enhanced interrogation techniques → Use of torture under George W. Bush – It seems like the last time this was debated, much of the content of the page and the WP:RS consensus was not present. Now, the article itself shows near unanimous agreement that EIT = torture. I don't have a good replacement name, but the current name has about as much support as "Shower Rooms in Nazi Germany". For example: "According to ABC news in 2007, the CIA removed waterboarding from its list of acceptable interrogation techniques in 2006." If these techniques were "enhanced", why are they no longer used? Even the group the put that name out there doesn't believe in the techniques anymore. It was a branding exercise, not a meaningful summary or specifier on the techniques used. Compare to Enhanced driver's license and Enhanced Fujita scale. I just skimmed the article and the only people I could find calling it not-torture in the modern-ish era are: Bush administration officials, and NPR in 2009 (15 years ago). NPR has since published the term in scare quotes, leading one to wonder how useful the descriptor is. I notice the page for Armenian genocide is not the "events of 1915" (one of the Turkish euphemisms for the genocide), for example.

References

Anonymous-232 (talk) 05:13, 26 September 2024 (UTC)). — Relisting. SilverLocust 💬 08:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – FIU Stadium → Pitbull Stadium – Pitbull acquired the naming rights in August. This is now the WP:COMMONNAME, per reliable sources [47][48][49] 162 etc. (talk) 03:50, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Template:VND → Template:Vietnamese đồng – Per WP:TG, Template function should be clear from the template name, but redirects can be created to assist everyday use of very popular templates. For people who are unfamiliar with ISO 4217 (i.e. the vast majority of people), the function of the template is very much not clear from the template name – clearly violating TG. Therefore, we should expand the name per WP:TG and keep a redirect from the ISO 4217 names. Using the full name is also consistent with numerous other templates in Category:Currency templates following Template talk:Chinese yuan#Requested move 8 September 2024. I selected the name with diacritics because it matches our mainspace article Vietnamese đồng; the diacritic-less {{Vietnamese dong}} already exists as a redirect (and therefore can be used by editors when writing articles, just like how {{VND}} will continue to work). I would be okay if we renamed to {{Vietnamese dong}}, though I would prefer to be consistent with our mainspace article. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:17, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Bellevue Transit Center → Bellevue Downtown station – Name should reflect the station's actual name, capitalization of "station" is contingent on the discussion at Talk:Symphony station (Sound Transit) LinkLightRail (talk) 04:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 20:07, 18 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 14:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 02:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) → Israel–Hezbollah war (2023–present) – First, there has been significant escalation in the recent weeks of this conflict. Israel has conducted widespread airstrikes on Lebanon, assassinated senior officials of Hezbollah, including its leader, and invaded Lebanon. This is not just a conflict anymore. Second, reliable sources that previously also called it a conflict are beginning to use the term "war". For example, The New York Times, Washington Post, and CNN have begun to label this a war. The case for this is strong, and "Israel-Hezbollah war" has been used more commonly than "Third Lebanon War", another proposed name for this conflict. Personisinsterest (talk) 23:51, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – First Periodic Review of Scottish Parliament Boundaries → First Periodic Review of Scottish Parliament boundaries – to match 2023 Periodic Review of Westminster constituencies; by WP:LOWERCASE, MOS:CAP, and WP:NCCAPS, "boundaries" should be a common noun that should be lowercase; the Scottish Parliament has "constituencies" and "electoral regions" so boundaries; matching the title otherwise ([50]) would still be ideal DotCoder (talk) 20:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Second Periodic Review of Scottish Parliament Boundaries → Second Periodic Review of Scottish Parliament boundaries

• (Discuss) – Ryan Whitney → Ryan Whitney (ice hockey) – Firstly, there is no clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC between Ryan Whitney and Ryan Whitney (actress) (see similar page view numbers, suggesting equal readership). Ryan Whitney used to be called Ryan Newman, which is where all the problems start. However, after three years, two failed RMs, and a unilateral move by a user, we're passed the WP:TOOSOON stage. Let's say Ryan Whitney (actress)'s WP:COMMONNAME is actually Ryan Whitney (more on that later), and we manage to agree that there is no PRIMARYTOPIC, then, we need to move the pages accordingly and create a proper disambiguation page, instead of what is now at Ryan Whitney (disambiguation).
  Next, for the case of Ryan Newman (racing driver), the page needs to be moved to Ryan Newman, since he would be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the name "Ryan Newman". We could leave a hatnote at the top so that readers looking for the former Ryan Newman, now Ryan Whitney, could find her. I don't think a Ryan Newman (disambiguation) page is necessary, but let me know. Ryan Dean Newman can stay as is, and we can leave a hatnote if need be.
  Alternate proposal: if you disagree with Ryan Whitney's WP:COMMONNAME being Ryan Whitney, I suggest moving Ryan Whitney (actress) to Ryan Whitney Newman, which is used in a fair chunk of sources and on places like her Instagram page. Ryan Newman (racing driver) is still moved to Ryan Newman, hatnotes are still left at the top, but that way we can leave Ryan Whitney (the ice hockey player) where he is, and just leave a hatnote at the top. Ryan Whitney (disambiguation) can be outright deleted. Ryan Dean Newman, no change but hatnotes where needed. Paul Vaurie (talk) 13:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 06:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Sennecaster (Chat) 01:25, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Ryan Newman (racing driver) → Ryan Newman
  • Ryan Newman → Ryan Newman (disambiguation) over redirect without leaving a redirect (implied), then WP:G14 delete if unnecessary
  • Ryan Whitney (disambiguation) → Ryan Whitney

• (Discuss) – Serviceton railway line → Ararat railway line – Edited article a while ago to reflect that the Serviceton line hasn't existed since 1995, when it was truncated to Ararat; the section past Ararat through to Serviceton was converted to standard gauge in 1995 and connected to other lines to form today's Western standard gauge railway line. Current Ararat railway line page is a redirect to Ballarat V/Line rail service (which covers the Ballarat and Ararat passenger services running on the line). I requested a move back when I first edited the article, however the request was removed as it was never completed. Граймс (talk) 08:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). 2pou (talk) 17:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 01:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – 2024 Hezbollah headquarters strike → 27 September 2024 Beirut attacks – While Israel states it only targeted the Hezbollah headquarters, several RS say the attack lay waste to "Several apartment blocks"[51] or "multiple high-rise apartment buildings"[52]. Given such an immense destruction of civilian infrastructure, we should not put Israeli claims that this was a "precise strike" on just the Hezbollah HQ in wikivoice (violation of WP:POVTITLE]), and instead pick the most neutral title. VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 21:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – North American Soccer League (1968–1984) → North American Soccer League – As the primary topic in both common use and long-term significance, I believe the original NASL should not need to be disambiguated while its short-lived reincarnation should remain disambiguated. The second league has been defunct for several years and most coverage in secondary sources in the past few years has been focused on the original NASL. SounderBruce 22:22, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
  • North American Soccer League → North American Soccer League (disambiguation) over redirect without leaving a redirect (implied), then WP:G14 delete if unnecessary

• (Discuss) – Maratha Confederacy → Maratha Empire – It was Maratha empire until the death of Madhav Rao in 1772, only after that it was called as Maratha Confederacy. All other sources call it as Maratha Empire. The area of control at peak was from Tamil Nadu to Peshawar, so it was called as Empire. Move was requested multiple times within short period, and last move [53] was closed by a non-admin. This is just revision of history by some wikipedia editors for propaganda, so as to diminish the importance of Marathas in the eyes of readers. Crashed greek (talk) 04:09, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Portrait of a Man (Self Portrait?) → Portrait of a Man in a Red Turban – or Man in a Red Turban or Portrait of a Man in a Turban (reverting to the title before an undiscussed move in 2007 suggesting a right to naming deriving from ownership) or Man in a Turban, or at least Portrait of a Man (possible self-portrait) or Portrait of a Man (Van Eyck possible self-portrait). There are several problems in the current title. One is that the disambiguator appears to be a redundant alternative title rather than a type classification or context clarifier. Another is the question mark indicating a lack of confidence about whether the painting's title should be "Self Portrait" or not (or whether the painting fits into the self-portraiture category or not). We shouldn't be using question marks this way. The use of title case and the lack of a hyphen in "Self Portrait" also seem questionable. See also the previous discussion of the title from 2011–2017 on the article talk page. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:11, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – 2019 El Paso shooting → 2019 El Paso Walmart shooting – Per WP:UCRN. Though at the time of the shooting (around 2019) the shooting was more commonly referred to as something in the vein of "El Paso shooting" by reliable sources, in recent years reliable sources trend towards calling it something akin to "El Paso Walmart shooting". Out of 50 articles published since 2020 about the incident, 42 mention Walmart in the title while 8 do not. The 'Walmart' aspect appears to be part of a commonly recognised naming convention, which should be reflected in the page's title. Reliable sources that tended to include 'Walmart' in their titles include CNN, PBS, BBC News, ABC News, AP News, The Independent, the Washington Post, NBC News and others. Local news sources, such as the Texas Tribune and El Paso Times, tended to also refer to 'Walmart' in their titles. I recommend '2019 El Paso Walmart shooting' as it fits other naming conventions. If needed, I can provide several of the referenced articles, though they can be found by Google search. Macxcxz (talk) 11:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:47, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Eryholme–Richmond branch line → ? – Either Richmond branch or Richmond branch line – The line does not have any reliable references calling it Eryholme–Richmond branch line. Plenty of Mirrors and those who have used the name of the article in their webpages. The railway was built in 1845 when the junction with the East Coast Main Line was Dalton Junction. This was re-named in 1901 to Eryholme Junction, so by way of comparison, for the first 56 years of its existence, it would not have been called the Eryholme–Richmond branch line. There are different names, but those that state just Richmond branch with a lower case 'b' are: * The North Eastern Railway Civil Engineering Drawings List held at the National Railway Museum, has 22 references to Richmond, 17 of which state Richmond Branch (both capitalised), and others stating Richmond to Darlington, or Richmond to Eryholme. *Just Richmond Branch Railway: *Hansard refers to the the line when it was under threat of closure as the Darlington–Richmond Line.

References

Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 21:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:03, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – 2024 Central European floods → Storm Boris (2024) – Wrong name: Boris affected also Southern Europe (Italy and Greece).-- Carnby (talk) 10:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – 2024 Lebanon pager explosions → ? – Following up from last RM, the options for this RM will focus on the specific language in the title. Keep the arguments on WP:TITLE policy. We can always propose additional changes to the title in this section. Awesome Aasim 23:48, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Keshi → ? – The singer is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. In the past year, the singer has received a monthly average of 13,607 views, while the eraser has received 654 views. [54] A significant number of views for Keshi also navigate to the page for the singer.[55] मल्ल (talk) 17:58, 9 September 2024 (UTC)— Relisting. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 14:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:30, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Keshi (singer) → Keshi

• (Discuss) – List of New Testament minuscules (2001–) → List of New Testament minuscules (2001–3017) – or List of New Testament minuscules (2001–2900) or List of New Testament minuscules (2101–2900), where the alternative suggested titles would imply removing some of what's currently in the list. My primary goal is to get rid of the strange combination of the dash followed immediately by a closing parenthesis, which is usually a date range but in this case is not. There are less than 30 titles like that on the English Wikipedia that I could find. Note that there's a duplication of the content of the end of this list in List of New Testament minuscules (2901–). There is also a duplicate of the content of the beginning of this list in List of New Testament minuscules (2001–2100). I don't fully understand how these lists are constructed, but I don't see big transclusions. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 03:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 06:35, 29 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading of Beans 06:50, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Collingwood Blues (2020–) → Collingwood Blues – The qualifying bookend "(2020–)" is unnecessary. The article relates to an existing ice hockey team. Collingwood Blues (1988–2011) is for the defunct team with the same name. The target page is currently a redirect. Buffalkill (talk) 01:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). – robertsky (talk) 02:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Waqar💬 14:39, 10 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 21:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Collingwood Blues → Collingwood Blues (disambiguation) over redirect without leaving a redirect (implied), then WP:G14 delete if unnecessary

• (Discuss) – Reeves AN/MSQ-77 Bomb Directing Central → AN/MSQ-77 – It is common practice when naming articles for devices which use the American military JETDS naming convention for the article to be either AN/MSQ-77 or including the system name and type like AN/MSQ-77 Bomb Directing Central. For many examples, see Category:Military electronics of the United States. This would make the page far easier to locate since most users will search for either "AN/MSQ-77" or "AN/MSQ-77 Bomb Directing Central" (the redirect already exists for that one). It is not typical across Wikipedia to place the Manufacturer into the article name, such as Reeves AN/MSQ-77. I am not able to find any examples like that. But I am open to ideas. Please share your thoughts — TadgStirkland⁴⁰¹ (Tadg^Talk) 22:29, 16 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. RodRabelo7 (talk) 11:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 12:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 04:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Tropical Storm Conson (2021) → Tropical Storm Conson – Can this page be moved to just Tropical Storm Conson? As Daniel boxs stated above, the name was retired after the 2021 Pacific typhoon season. While there was a more notable iteration of Conson last 2010, it was a typhoon. This is the only page that is named "Tropical Storm Conson"— the 2004 and 2010 iterations were typhoons, and the 2016 iteration redirects you to the 2016 typhoon page, so it's a little distinctive compared to the previous Conson iterations. Bugnawfang (talk) 08:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC) Bugnawfang (talk) 08:32, 8 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bobby Cohn (talk) 12:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Moggy → Domestic cat (landrace) – Wikipedia is a worldwide resource. Cats are found worldwide. There is no place for a localized colloquialism to be a MAIN page reference on Wikipedia. I am located in the United States and never once have I ever heard the term “moggy” used to refer to a cat. The merging of Domestic short-haired cat and Domestic long-haired cat was an appropriate move as the only difference is the gene for hair growth. However, I don’t understand why a slang term page was revived from like, 2007 to merge the two pages together. Wikipedia Manual of Style in the Opportunities for Commonality section states that as an international English-speaking Wikipedia, using universally accepted terms is much more appropriate. For example, “to mog” or “mogging” in Gen Alpha terms - see mog. Nobody outside of Britian or Australia even knows what a moggy is. To make things messier, there were previous merges and fights about “moggy” vs. “moggie.” Y’all do not need a page for your local colloquialism. Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Opportunities for commonality bullet points 1-4. My new write-up for the beginning of the new article also explains this landrace breed, using hyphenation glossing as is suggested by the Manual of Style: A Domestic shorthair or Domestic longhair cat, sometimes regionally referred to as a moggy, is a landrace breed of cat reproducing without human intervention for type. The vast majority of cats worldwide lack any pedigree ancestry. The landrace can include cats living with humans or in feral colonies. Gene flow moves between the two populations as feral cats are tamed, housecats are released, and free-roaming unneutered cats breed freely. Simmy27star (talk) 11:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 16:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• (Discuss) – Stanisław Potocki (1659-1683) → Stanisław Potocki (Polish noble, died 1683) – For alignment with WP:NCPDAB, especially to remove the lifespan ranges (especially the one using a hyphen). These people have more specific titles (szlachcic, voivode, etc.), but I think they are not used in English, so I am just suggesting "Polish noble" for all of them. For one of these, we have the birth year, but for the others we do not, so it may be best to consistently use the death year for all of them. Note that Stanisław Potocki (1734–1802) redirects to Józef Potocki (1734/35–1802). This seems to be an artefact of a previous error; see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 13#Stanisław Potocki (1734–1802). Note that there is also a non-disambiguated Józef Potocki. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 15:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bobby Cohn (talk) 15:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Stanisław Potocki (died 1760) → Stanisław Potocki (Polish noble, died 1760)
  • Józef Potocki (1734/35–1802) → Józef Potocki (Polish noble, died 1802)
  • Józef Potocki (d. 1723) → Józef Potocki (Polish noble, died 1723)

• (Discuss) – Israel–Hamas war → Israel–Gaza war – Despite the move request to Israel-Gaza war being closed as no consensus in February 2024, a lot has changed since then and RS have converged to use this name. This move is long overdue and aligns with the relevant Wikipedia guidelines of WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NAMECHANGE. RS per WP that uses the Israel-Gaza war name as the title of their coverage category: * The Guardian: Israel-Gaza war * The Washington Post: Israel-Gaza war * BBC: Israel-Gaza war * NPR: Israel-Gaza war * The Conservation: Israel-Gaza war * Al Jazeera: Israel's war on Gaza Other RS that uses the Israel-Gaza war name as the title of their coverage category: * Doctors Without Borders: Israel-Gaza war * Committee to Protect Journalists: Israel-Gaza conflict * The National: Israel-Gaza war * Middle East Eye: Israel's war on Gaza RS per WP that uses the Israel-Gaza war in their coverage: * Reuters: [56], [57], [58]: Israel-Gaza war * CBS news: [59] Israel-Gaza war * Vox: [60], [61]: Israel's war in Gaza This name change would also align with a third Wikipedia guideline, all five of the WP:CRITERIA one, namely #5 on Consistency, as this would align with Gaza War (2008–2009) and 2014 Gaza war. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:05, 13 August 2024 (UTC)  :Update to add other RS mentioning Gaza instead of Hamas in one way or another in at least one instance: * Save the Children: [62]: War in Gaza as coverage category title * Haaretz Israeli newspaper: [63]: Gaza war as coverage category title (RS per WP) * Relief Web: Relief Web: Gaza war * Crisis Group: [64]: Gaza war * Norwegian Refugee Council: [65]: Gaza conflict Makeandtoss (talk) 11:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. FOARP (talk) 15:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Malformed requests

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• Talk:September 2024 Lebanon strikes – Pagename to be moved listed below template does not match name in template: September 2024 Lebanon strikes.

Possibly incomplete requests

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• Talk:Johnny Blaze – Johnny Blaze is requested for move to Johnny Blaze (disambiguation), which could make the disambiguation malplaced. Has a primary redirect been specified?

References

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