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September 19

September 19, 2024 (2024-09-19) (Thursday)

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September 18

September 18, 2024 (2024-09-18) (Wednesday)

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  • Instagram introduces teen accounts for users under the age of 18 that will be private by default, limit "sensitive content" and allow parents to view contacts. (DW)

UN demands Israeli withdrawl from Palestine

WP:SNOW closure. Consensus to support is highly unlikely to form. (non-admin closure) 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 08:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: International reactions to the Israel–Hamas war (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United Nations General Assembly votes 124–12 to demand Israel end its occupation of Palestinian territories within 12 months. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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UN follows up its decision that the occupation was illegal with a demand for withdrawl from the territories. An article is likely to be made for this specific resolution and I'm hoping that gets done soon because the article hasn't been updated. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 21:20, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until a separate article be created. Rynoip (talk) 21:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the ICJ ruling was one thing, and a Security Council resolution would be another, but GA resolutions are non-binding - they usually hold little weight and rarely hold long-term significance. In addition, this doesn’t really change anything; the position of the UN on the OPT and Israeli occupation has been stated/reaffirmed repeatedly in the past, this is just doing so again. Only real unique significance is this being the first time Palestine itself has introduced the resolution, but I don’t think that meets the bar for ITN. The Kip (contribs) 23:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Also worth noting there's no distinct article yet, and the currently-listed target is a poor fit. The Kip (contribs) 03:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose it's non binding, so per The Kip, is going to have little impact. Masem (t) 23:19, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose A non-binding resolution seems meaningless. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It's non-binding, and already covered by Ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support regardless of the UN's ability to enforce the decision, it is still a UN resolution. Scuba 02:59, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per The Kip, the ruling won't be enforced or recognized by the powers engaged in said occupation so its a bit of a moot point. Dozens of UN Resolutions pass regularly, many with regards to ongoing conflicts or international situations. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Salvatore Schillaci

Article: Salvatore Schillaci (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Il Post, BBC, La Gazzetta dello Sport, La Stampa
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

A former professional footballer and full international for Italy; he was best known for winning both the Golden Ball and the Golden Boot at the 1990 FIFA World Cup and finishing second at the Ballon d'Or of the same year. Rest in peace. Oltrepier (talk) 09:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Needs a little work need some citations for career statistics otherwise pretty good, rip. 2407:E400:D004:BA01:41B9:4789:E394:2B10 (talk) 09:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 17

September 17, 2024 (2024-09-17) (Tuesday)

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RD: JD Souther

Article: JD Souther (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, LA Times
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American singer-songwriter. 240F:7A:6253:1:E924:4E1B:C314:5996 (talk) 04:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Some WP:PROSELINE issues prevent this from being posted on the main page. Bremps... 06:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tyrone C. Fahner

Article: Tyrone C. Fahner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Tribune
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article updated and well sourced. Death announced on this date. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article seems sufficient in terms of covering his life and well-cited. Bremps... 03:54, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Lebanon pager explosions

Article: 2024 Lebanon pager explosions (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Across Lebanon and Syria, pagers used by Hezbollah explode, killing multiple people and injuring thousands. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least nine people are killed and over 2,800 are injured after pagers used by Hezbollah members explode in Lebanon.
Alternative blurb II: ​ At least nine people are killed and over 2,800 are injured after pagers used by Hezbollah members explode in Lebanon and Damascus, Syria.
News source(s): Guardian, NYT
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Novel and creative escalation in the Israel-Hezbollah conflict (which is not in ongoing, unlike the Israel-Hamas conflict). Sandstein 17:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Though it can be argued that it's covered by ongoing, I think it is a very serious and rare escalation notable enough of a blurb. Prodrummer619 (talk) 18:11, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support not only is it a big escalation, but the way Israel did so is crazy. Scuba 20:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support an important news and widely covered.
QalasQalas (talk) 21:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait The article has a rainbow of multiple cleanup/dispute tags. And the technical details of the incident(s) still seem uncertain and subject to much speculation. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality issues for now.VR (Please ping on reply) 22:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait and oppose Hezbollah mention - The page clearly still needs cleanup and the situation is developing. Many of those caught in the attacks do not seem to have a clear connection to Hezbollah, so while this may have been intended to target members of that organisation it could also have been a more general terrorist attack against pager users in the country (with Hezbollah happening to be a major user of pagers in the country) and it is not only misleading but potentially dangerous to jump the gun in making assumptions here. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 22:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Support. Large number of casualties. The news is making international headlines. – Anne drew
  • Support on notability sheer scale of injuries together with the highly unusual tactics deployed makes this notable. Cleanup tags need to be addressed first before posting. FlipandFlopped ツ 23:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, then Support Page needs a bit of clean-up and development. Other than that, this is unique and is significant enough to exclude it from the "covered by ongoing" argument in my opinion. This type of attack has never been seen on such a massive scale, and the damages could be tremendous. Hungry403 (talk) 02:33, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose per masem. unless there is something bigger out of this in retaliation.
Also the article ays lebanon and the blurb says syria.Sportsnut24 (talk) 03:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is being discussed. Bremps... 06:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Posted. I find that there is a WP:ROUGHCONSENSUS to post, and that the articles, while they could use improvement, are nevertheless serviceable. El_C 05:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is a tag on there that held up posts for Fujimori. So why does this get through?Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sportsnut24: the article is tag-free, as it was when I added my support at 05:34. Mjroots (talk) 09:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mjroots @El C, as evidenced by the talk page, it still has several outstanding POV issues. The tag was removed prematurely.VR (Please ping on reply) 12:11, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@El C Change the title to mention communication devices in general instead of just pagers per the recent developments. Reuters Prodrummer619 (talk) 15:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Briefly because I'm writing in haste. I stand by my decision and am not pulling the blurb. Any other requests can be handled by any other admin. Thank you. El_C 23:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
NOTE there is a big orange tag on the article, which is this allowed on the page? It should be pulled until sorted, like fujimori.2A00:F3C:A282:0:5097:3DB:7890:50B7 (talk) 06:11, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a contentious topic and so has all the usual aggravation and issues that they generate. The article still has a big orange {{POV}} tag, just like it did when I commented above. And the technical scope of of the topic has expanded since as it's not just pagers.
As this is obviously part of the general Arab-Israeli conflict, we should perhaps leave all such to Ongoing.
Andrew🐉(talk) 06:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 16

September 16, 2024 (2024-09-16) (Monday)

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Typhoon Bebinca (2024)

Article: Typhoon Bebinca (2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Typhoon Bebinca becomes the strongest typhoon to hit China since Typhoon Gloria of 1949. (Post)
News source(s): [2]
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Not much strong feelings about this one, but since it is said to be strongest typhoon to hit Shanghai since 1949, maybe we should post it? High Admiral JMT (talk) 02:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose We generally don't post items of this nature. Blurbs here tend to be concerned with impact rather than storm strength.
Noah, BSBATalk 02:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Otis Davis

Article: Otis Davis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article updated and well sourced. Death announced on this date. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:12, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready?) Central European floods

Article: 2024 Central European floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Flooding in Central Europe leaves 16 people dead and more missing, as several towns are left submerged. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Severe flooding in central Europe leaves at least 25 dead and 11 missing, as several towns are left submerged.
News source(s): The Guardian
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Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Article only just created as 2024 European floods was too broad and not detailed enough. Significant for a large part of the continent, one of the biggest floods in the countries affected in history. Storm Boris (2024) and Genoa low articles need improvements too. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support until the quality improves. Seems notable for posting though.
Noah, BSBATalk 16:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment feels like we are creating excessive articles around these topics. Don't see why this can't be part of storm Boris in this case. Masem (t) 17:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Masem: Storm Boris is a redirect to a wind storm season article subsection. It doesnt have its own article. Noah, BSBATalk 18:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That subsection is covering the current floods, which seems to be fine. But if there is expansions to be made, that should be the standalone page and not this new flooding page. — Masem (t) 18:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hard disagree. The precedent here is 1997 Central European flood, to which this being frequently compared to. Firstly Storm Boris is just one of the factors that has caused the flooding. Secondly, given the impact and scale a standalone article is very much appropriate here, even though it is yet to be expanded, however I'm sure it will be expanded easily to such a point that WP:FORKs and WP:SIZESPLITs will be needed anyway. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My concern is mostly thus larger trend anound seeming infinite atomization of current event event articles, where editors are given even small facets of larger stories their own article. We want to make the featured article here is sufficiently conpherensive of the cause and effects around the flooding without being too narrow. — Masem (t) 14:07, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Some of the information has been duplicated from 2024 European floods, but as long as that article can be organised by month instead of by country, that can be easily trimmed down to a summary with a {{main}} link. 2024–25 European windstorm season#Storm Boris is more of a mess, but still I don't think the problem here is anything more than poor linking between the three articles. The September floods due to Boris/Anett are without doubt notable -- this has turned out to be an event at least comparable to a 1997 flood. The storm, which might or might not be notable independently of the floods, currently only has a section in the windstorm list. Did I miss a fork somewhere? Daß Wölf 04:31, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support, likely comparable to the 1997 or 2014 floods once all the information is tallied up, and the article is of sufficient quality. Suggest changing the blurb to "Storm Boris flooding leaves..." to make it immediately recognisable, as the name seems to have taken on in the media. Unfortunately, I wouldn't expect the article to be exhaustive until well after the event. Unlike e.g. Typhoon Yagi, this is affecting at least half a dozen countries with different languages where weather news commonly stops at the country border. When compared to North America and the UK, severe weather events in continental Europe fairly rarely get comprehensive articles on Wikipedia.
It's also somewhat hard to tell how long the effects will last. The bulk of precipitation fell on already saturated high ground near the sources of Europe's large rivers, so there might be a second wave of flooding downstream, or another if a warm spell suddenly thaws out the newly accumulated snow in the mountains. For example, the Danube might yet flood northern Serbia and easternmost Croatia [3]. Daß Wölf 08:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Barely comprehensive enough but comprehensive enough. Bremps... 15:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) European floods

Nominator close; more suitable article nominated Abcmaxx (talk) 15:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: 2024 European floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Flooding in Central and Eastern Europe leaves several people dead and more missing, as several towns are left submerged. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
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Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Article needs splitting into last few days' events, needs major update as well. Significant for a large part of the continent, one of the biggest floods in the countries affected in history. May need a Storm Boris (2024) article and have that as a target. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:15, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - As you said, the article isn't ready. I should say wait for the present to get the article improved, and maybe after some more casualties are noted. Maybe after the floods have finished. High Asmiral JMT (talk) 03:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Going by the current article, which covers floods since May, this feels like an inappropriate junction of multiple different weather events, getting in towards synthesis. Would almost definitely need a focus on the page on the storm that actually caused these most recent floods. --Masem (t) 12:06, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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September 15

September 15, 2024 (2024-09-15) (Sunday)

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RD: Elias Khoury

Article: Elias Khoury (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News; Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

According to the Institute for Palestine Studies, Khoury moved between journalism, writing, and teaching. It’s a legacy that can help us to understand the meanings of loyalty, commitment, and Palestine. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 16:54, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prime time Emmys

Article: 76th Primetime Emmy Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the Emmys, Shōgun wins for Best Drama, and Hacks wins for Best Comedy. (Post)
News source(s): AP
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

ITNR but article is no where close to ready lacking any info about the ceremony itself. Masem (t) 13:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tito Jackson

Article: Tito Jackson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): E! Online
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American musician and member of The Jackson 5. 240F:7A:6253:1:6559:FB9D:9705:1874 (talk) 05:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Trump golf shooting

Non-admin closure per WP:SNOW --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:42, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Trump International Golf Club shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A man is arrested at Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach, Florida following his suspected assassination attempt of former U.S. President Donald Trump (pictured). (Post)
News source(s): [4][5]
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  • Oppose for now. Doesn't look like Trump was in any immediate danger and no shots were fired at him. I also note that there is some surprising ambivalence about the article on its talk page with some even arguing it should be merged into another page. FWIW I think this clearly passes GNG and AFAIK we have articles on all other confirmed attempts on the lives of current and former presidents. But until that gets sorted out, I'd be reluctant to promote this on the main page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:10, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as well. Unlike the assassination attempt in Pennsylvania, nobody was killed or injured. This doesn't have enough due weight to merit a blurb in ITN. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 23:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We have opted not to post known-but-foiled assassination/attacks (before anyone got injured) against major political figures, and this seems to fall into that category. --Masem (t) 23:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per 2604 etc. 64.114 etc 00:04, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Multiple past assassination attempts on presidents have been discussed here before (there were multiple on Biden, for example). But if the plots were foiled and no injuries or even structural damage occurred, then they weren't considered to have enough due weight to include in ITN. Unless there's some other exceptional reason to include this that hasn't been presented yet, then I see no reason for this to run. SilverserenC 00:04, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose "shooting" seems very tabloidish, given I've seen no reports that the alleged trespasser ever fired a weapon. And I don't think person arrested with a weapon in the vicinity of a leader (let alone a former leader) is particularly notable, other than perhaps locally. Someone remind me though - when they arrested that nutter in Ottawa who was at Rideau Hall with all those guns, looking to shoot Trudeau - did we post it? That would be a good comparison. Nfitz (talk) 00:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At least based on searching the archives above for keyword "Trudeau", we've only ever run two ITN blurbs for him, for his election and then re-election. So, no, it doesn't appear to have been posted, not unless whatever was run didn't mention Trudeau at all. SilverserenC 00:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)\[reply]
It looks like it didn't even get a Wikipedia article - surprising given the international news coverage 1, 2, 3, 4, 5; though it is mentioned at Timeline of incidents involving QAnon#Intrusion into Justin Trudeau's residence. It is mentioned at the final attempt of 2020 List of heads of state and government who survived assassination attempts - which seems to show 2 or 3 a year, recently. Which raises the question of how many of those were posted. Nfitz (talk) 01:14, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Noah, BSBATalk 00:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose "Shooting" in the article title is very generous considering not a single bullet was fired towards Trump, No injuries or lasting effects Hungry403 (talk) 02:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Robert F. Titus

Article: Robert F. Titus (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Starrs
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: United States Air Force brigadier general and fighter pilot Toadboy123 (talk) 23:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I don't see any cn tags, article looks good. Scuba 15:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 14

September 14, 2024 (2024-09-14) (Saturday)

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RD: Elaine DePrince

Article: Elaine DePrince (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Brand-new article started after her death was finally made public on September 14. She led a very full life as a non-fiction author and mother of 11 children including 9 adopted, 3 of whom were hemophiliacs who died of AIDS, plus Michaela DePrince (who happened to die less than 24 hours before her). Cielquiparle (talk) 16:33, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Fernando Puche

Article: Fernando Puche (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Málaga CF
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Spanish businessman, owner of Málaga CF...and convicted tobacco smuggler fined over €16 million. Newly created. All sources in Spanish Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:38, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Berit Ås

Article: Berit Ås (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRK
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Article updated
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Norwegian psychologist and feminist politician, known for articulating the five master suppression techniques. Needs better referencing. Oceanh (talk) 02:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 13

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RD: Lex Marinos

Article: Lex Marinos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6], [7]
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 Happily888 (talk) 05:42, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Birth date, some of the early section and the filmography needs more sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 16:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mary McFadden

Article: Mary McFadden (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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American fashion designer. The "High Priestess of Fashion" according to Vogue. Thriley (talk) 21:27, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Career section can use some expansion but otherwise meets the minimum requirement. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 16:44, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Wolfgang Gerhardt

Article: Wolfgang Gerhardt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ
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German politician. Grimes2 (talk) 13:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Prose is 1,572 character, barely over a stub. This man was leader of Germany's third party for six years and was leader of the opposition, albeit for six months. What did he propose in his many election campaigns and how did he act in opposition to Merkel? My knowledge of German language and politics is far too low to expand this, however. Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:46, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Irrelevant. Please read the bottom line in the yellow box containing the nomination. Black Kite (talk) 21:52, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Leaving aside whether it's true, it's not irrelevant at all -- this is a comment on the article's quality, and a suggestion that it needs some minimal coverage of his political positions and actions to meet the quality bar. The line you point to includes Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD., which is exactly what this comment is doing. UndercoverClassicist T·C 07:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The small text says all humans, animals etc. are assumed to be notable enough to post. I never doubted that. What I said was that the page is just over the length of a stub. Would we ever consider posting a page on a Liberal Democrats leader like Charles Kennedy or Paddy Ashdown if the page was just over the definition of a stub, and a mere list of offices held rather than who they were as politicians and people? This may not be GA or FA nomination but a certain limit of length and completeness should be met. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    DYK asks for 300 words. I don't think it's unreasonable for ITN to require as least 300 words, too. The word count is 250 now. Let's have more prose in this wikibio. Pretty sure there's more to write about this guy's career in politics. When coverage of the wikibio appears to be incomplete, it's a good reason not to feature it on the RD line, methinks. --PFHLai (talk) 21:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
     Done Grimes2 (talk) 18:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural support meets minimum requirements This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per above 27.96.223.192 (talk) 07:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support meets the bare minimum requirement but it would be better if there is a bit more content. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 16:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Michaela DePrince

Article: Michaela DePrince (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People magazine; Reuters; The Guardian
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Huge loss to world of ballet. Life and career covered extensively in reliable secondary sources. Cielquiparle (talk) 21:27, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is ready now. There is enough information about her untimely death. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:02, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Borno State flooding

Article: Borno State flooding (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Alau Dam collapse leads to flash flooding in Borno State, Nigeria that kills over 30 people and displaces over 400 000. (Post)
News source(s): [8]
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Seems to be a major humanitarian crisis and it has been described as the region's worst flooding in 30 years. Scaramouche33 (talk) 12:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Pravin Gordhan

Article: Pravin Gordhan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): news24
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Article updated
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Twice former fin min of africa's then-largest economy.Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Provisional oppose: significance is granted by having an article, but there are CN tags needing to be addressed. Would support once fully sourced. UndercoverClassicist T·C 09:09, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support all the issues have been resolved, I think it is ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 12

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(Withdrawn) Ongoing: Typhoon Yagi

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Article: Typhoon Yagi (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: The article is up for updates, despite the storm having dissipated, as it continues to be reported that people are dying across various Asian countries. HurricaneEdgar 21:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Stephen Peat

Article: Stephen Peat (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Province, Sportsnet
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Troubled ex-NHLer was struck by a car two weeks ago. Succumbed to his injuries today. Have spent the afternoon buffing up the article and making sure everything important is cited. — GhostRiver 21:38, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Decision needed) Polaris Dawn

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Article: Polaris Dawn (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Jared Isaacman and Sarah Gillis conduct the first commercial spacewalk during the Polaris Dawn private space mission. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ During the Polaris Dawn space mission, astronauts Jared Isaacman and Sarah Gillis orbit the Earth at a record distance of 1,400 kilometers, breaking the previous record set by Gemini 11.
News source(s): NYT, Guardian
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No strong feelings either way, but we normally post space firsts, right? Sandstein 15:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's certainly up for debate, although the media do treat this as a "first", reflecting the increasing commercialization and privatization of spaceflight. Sandstein 16:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess every major news outlet is just lying in saying that the first commercial spacewalk is a major milestone. Scuba 16:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's hype. News outlets frequently produce hype. Of more interest on the operational front is that this was a spacewalk without airlocks. To my mind 'first commercial spacewalk' is one of those excessively-specific superlatives, like 'tallest actor' or 'first Frenchman to cycle around the world'. I don't see the operational activity's dependence on the commercial organisation supporting it as especially remarkable. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand the point you're trying to make, the superlatives that you listed exist and aren't that ridiculous. It being commercial is the whole point, the commercial space race has been proof that the age of big bloated government agencies dominating every aspect of space travel is over. SpaceX doesn't get 0.48% of the US budget every year to only make one rocket every 4 years like NASA with SLS. Scuba 03:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with GenevieveDEon. This is just a hyped up news story because of SpaceX, and because of a billionaire who is part of the team. What is fundamentally different from this and other spacewalks, which have been done numerous times by NASA or Roscosmos astronauts? We have already posted other "firsts" for commercial spaceflight, but this to me is an insignificant "first". Natg 19 (talk) 16:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because it isn't being done by NASA or Roscosmos or any governmental agency, it's being done by a private company. Scuba 03:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - This is still a big deal; it really doesn't matter if a billionaire was involved. Inspiration4 was blurbed as it was the first all-civilian spaceflight, I feel like the first ever commercial spacewalk should get the same treatment. qw3rty 17:29, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - in addition to the big media coverage for the first commercial spacewalk, also of significance is that the earth orbit achieved an altitude of over 1,400 kilometres - breaking the 1,370 km crewed record set in 1966 by Gemini 11/Agena. (of course the moonshot orbits were technically higher, so technically the Apollo missions were further away while trans-lunar or in lunar orbit. There's also been a new record set of 19 people in earth orbit simultaneously (on two space stations, with 5 capsules - Polaris Dawn, Soyuz MS-25, Soyuz MS-26, SpaceX Crew-8, and Shenzhou 18. Arguably, each of these three records should be blurbed. Combining into one seems more than reasonable. Nfitz (talk) 18:09, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think any of those should be blurbed. They're all just 'mosts' of things we don't normally pay attention to measuring at all. And if we're talking about the achievements of private space flight, one of the things it has done is to raise the number of people currently in Earth orbit by stranding two people on the ISS for six months. I also don't think that an altitude record that arbitrarily excludes the Apollo astronauts is a record at all. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I don't see what makes a commercial spacewalk so special compared to something like a routine one done at the ISS where they actually leave the spacecraft. Hungry403 (talk) 06:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's in the news, unlike the stale stuff that we're currently blurbing. And when reliable and respectable sources such as the NYT describe it as a milestone, that beats the OR/POV above.
As for the spacewalk, our article tells us that this mode is called a "stand-up EVA (SEVA)". Me, I'm more impressed that they've chosen to fly through the Van Allen belt to see how bad the radiation is.
Note also that we have pictures of the crew and so can use and rotate them.
Andrew🐉(talk) 08:09, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Me, I'm more impressed that they've chosen to fly through the Van Allen belt to see how bad the radiation is. Same here, that seems like an awfully foolish endeavor to put a civilian crew through. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like the teams of thousands of highly qualified engineers and physicists know what they're doing PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:28, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
More dangerous: if any of them moved into the ISS for a 6-mo. tour of duty, where they would get about 70 mSv over that period. Or, venturing outside the Earth's protective magnetosphere fully. The Apollo crews which took the full trip "next door" and back, round-tripped through both belts; there are two and I'm not sure but is Polaris just doing the inner belt? Anyway, the Apollo crews got mission doses maxing out a bit over 10 mSv. And, most of that was not the belts, but all the rads our Sun is blasting out everywhere all the time! (Yes I got a headache trying to make sense of those confusing different units. This is why the SI is good, folks.)
Other slightly dangerous pastimes rad-wise (see helpful images here): spending a year in Winnipeg: 4 mSv; a body CT scan: around 6–8 mSv; a coronary angiogram: 12 mSv (yes, more than most Apollo crews); working as an aviation crew member: varies widely and unpredictably, but estimated upper bound at or potentially more than 5 mSv/year. The dose makes the poison. (Fascinatingly, astronauts frequently report perceiving flashes of light caused by cosmic rays crashing through their bodies and triggering them! Mir got hit by a solar storm once and a crew member said the flashes were so bright and numerous they interfered with his sleep!) --Slowking Man (talk) 23:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All I'm saying is there's a reason the Royal Aviation Museum of Western Canada, Boeing Winnipeg and the Winnipeg Jets keep to the traditionally "commercial" altitudes they do. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also come to think of it, public service announcement: make sure you check if your home has radon risk, and have it tested if it is. This is the radiation risk the average person should be most concerned about. (Besides avoiding tobacco) Also make sure to test and replace smoke + CO detectors on schedule! Slowking Man (talk) 09:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Slightly misleading; the Apollo spacecraft was only in a parking orbit around Earth for a brief period of time (aside from Apollo 7 and Apollo 9) as it transited rather quickly through the Van Allen belts, so it wasn't prolonged exposure as a low Earth orbit with a 1,400 kilometer perigee would have been. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Notable achievement in commercial space flight, as well as other firsts per Nfitz, Rockview13 (talk) 16:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose current blurb Disagree that there is anything particularly notable or groundbreaking about the first "commercialized" spaceflight - do we do a separate post for commercial versus non-commercial "firsts" with any other achievements? IMHO if we did post, what makes it notable is that it achieved a record-high orbit, as per the title of this other NYT article. If we do blurb, that is probably what the blurb should highlight. When the NYT calls it "groundbreaking" or a "record", that is the record they are referring to - the highest orbit ever reached which was not part of a mission to the moon. FlipandFlopped ツ 20:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt Blurb I think it is a very notable achievement and deserves to be posted, the article's quality is also sufficient. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support for being the first commercial spacewalk, and having major notability. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 00:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(RD posted) RD: Sitaram Yechury

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Article: Sitaram Yechury (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Indian communist leader Sitaram Yechury dies at the age of 72. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Sitaram Yechury General Secretary of Communist Party of India (India National party), dies at the age of 72.
News source(s): BBC,Indianexpress
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Nominator's comments: Indian communist leader Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD only but only after cn tags have been resolved. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added more sources. Pachu Kannan (talk) 14:01, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RD only Lacks notability for a blurb, had no national importance in the executive government Varoon2542
Posted to RD—Bagumba (talk) 09:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Aussie Malcolm

Article: Aussie Malcolm (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff
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Nominator's comments: Missing exact date of death, announced today; otherwise good article. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Elli: can I get an ITN nomination recognition on my talk page please? Abcmaxx (talk) 22:15, 14 September 2024 (UTC) [reply]
 Done Black Kite (talk) 22:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, sorry about that; hadn't done much ITN before so forgot about that step. Oh well, more things to learn. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pull He has been posthumously accused of child sexual abuse. Our article is not complete in its current state. Bremps... 18:13, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Already scrolled off MainPage on Sept. 14th. --PFHLai (talk) 21:04, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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